--- Log opened Wed Sep 12 00:00:02 2018
00:51 < whilo> hmm, ok
00:51 < whilo> so you think it is in some sense not economic enough?
00:54 < whilo> i would agree that is more about facilitating a discussion
00:54 < mcallan> no critique intended.  saw no economics, so thought to clarify my own interest
00:55 < mcallan> just that i get the impression you still think of me doing votorola-centred stuff
01:19 < mcallan> a critique, then: (cheap one, given i only skimmed it)
01:19 < mcallan> discussion works already
01:20 < mcallan> even now, in this (slow motion) back and forth i am affected
01:20 < mcallan> talking with you orders my thoughts for the better
01:21 < mcallan> nothing broken here, nothing to fix
01:33 < mcallan> --------
01:34 < mcallan> A speech (just one, after all these years incommunicado)
01:34 < mcallan> --------
01:35 < mcallan> these systematic institutions of modern society,
01:36 < mcallan> some we classify as economic, others political
01:36 < mcallan> nothing broken here (it now seems to me), nothing to fix
01:37 < mcallan> much to respect, deeply.  much to build on
01:38 < mcallan> and modern society as a whole? and the person?
01:38 < mcallan> much is broken here, and the breaks are related
01:38 < mcallan> something to fix
01:38 < mcallan> --------
02:02 < mcallan> fruit of a 1000 years civilization, and much that came before
02:03 < mcallan> here today, it could be gone tomorrow
02:05 < mcallan> is that a problem i can come to grips with?
02:05 < mcallan> no, neither in theory nor practice
02:06 < mcallan> i am no child of nature, along comes modern society, prods and provokes me to care for it
02:07 < mcallan> waht is that, a god's eye view?
02:08 < mcallan> i hope there is a god to care for us
02:08 < mcallan> i am afraid
02:09 < mcallan> yet, i cannot take god's point of view
02:12 < mcallan> thinking what's at stake, what's broken and how to grapple with it, fix it,
02:12 < mcallan> we forget the person
02:13 < mcallan> we forget ourselves, each of us
02:14 < mcallan> what is at risk, what is broken, is within *me*
02:15 < mcallan> it always has been
02:16 < mcallan> through the broken glass i look out on all there is, including society,
02:19 < mcallan> and i see how it breaks and is broken with me, as though in sympathy
02:21 < mcallan> now it is a problem i can come to grips with
02:22 < mcallan> the fear comes and goes, and comes again, still
02:26 < mcallan> at least it can be dealt with and kept at bay
02:26 < mcallan> god alone knows what more could be done
02:27 < mcallan> ========
03:37 < mcallan> now it seems to me that when i do show my work, finally,
03:37 < mcallan> to some chosen engineer,
03:39 < mcallan> trying to impress him with a 1-2 punch of immediate personal utility to himself,
03:41 < mcallan> and a good piece of engineering overall,
03:44 < mcallan> then i best do this only through people i know
03:46 < mcallan> somehow i didn't know that till now.  guess i was still in votorola mode there
--- Log closed Thu Sep 13 00:00:16 2018