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06:03 < mcallan> It's a free work... When work relations become passionate.  http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/2013-November/029037.html
10:48 < conseo> passionate work is very important, free software can show that. still it is also material work, if you only solve the problems you are passionate about, then who does the laundry?
10:52 < conseo> "What is common among software developers –
10:52 < conseo> and among others who describe their work primarily as a passion – is not
10:52 < conseo> only the individual expression of creativity, but also the translation of
10:52 < conseo> the playful-affective dimension in recursive processes of relation,
10:52 < conseo> processes that bring to a preoccupation for the institutional,
10:52 < conseo> technological, political and economical conditions which the particular
10:52 < conseo> community and its productive activities are based on. "
10:54 < conseo> sound nice, but is totally abstract and honestly it shows no sign of understanding how tough and fragmented it can be. the actual "work" part is not covered, instead they treat it only in form of their already finished cultural interpretation
10:56 < conseo> "These are, therefore, working experiences (paid or unpaid) in which the subjects’ identification and self-expression are conveyed both by putting life itself at work (Morini e Fumagalli 2010; Fleming 2012) and by questioning the social
10:56 < conseo> relations within which work is realised (Borghi et al. 2011)"
10:57 < conseo> what is a subject and identity? they already have their idealist philosophy (probably influenced by existential-philosophie), although identity and subject are the most abstract concepts and e.g. the identity of subject cannot be resolved philsophically
10:59 < conseo> for me it is similarly a collective experience, "dissolving subject", working with you changed my life not to become a new evolved monadic identity of myself, but rather to become part of a bigger process which i don't really understand, but work on.
11:02 < conseo> for me the meaning of it cannot be abstracted a way in a clean form without becoming arbitrary philosophy (but nothing really new), formal (logical) insight and empirical experience cannot be brought in a systematic relationship a priori
11:03 < conseo> no matter if you model it as passion, play-drive or drive for survival or sexual drive, as biological determinism, as subjective value formed by each individual independently (how absurd does this sound btw.?)...
11:04 < conseo> work can only be understood in its concrete form relating to the whole of society and including the vision of the workers. you have to study it hands-on imo
11:16 < conseo> at least they mention recursive processes, for this they get a lambda point :-P
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