--- Log opened Wed Sep 18 00:00:46 2013
02:00 < conseo> btw. this runs completely in the browser now, pretty cool to have a self-hosting compiler (almost): http://kanaka.github.io/clojurescript/web/jsrepl.html
02:08 < conseo> (str "Greetings from " (.toUpperCase (name :Mannheim)) (apply str (repeat 3 (nth "?.!:" 2))))
02:08 < conseo> :-P
02:27 < mcallan> it works :-)
02:37 < mcallan> (str "Greetings from Toronto " (apply str (repeat 10 (nth "?.-:" 2))) "> Mannheim")
02:56 < conseo> hehe
03:00 < Phoebus> mcallan, how do you feel about making a foundation to help projects like votorola develop, but also on a merged project?
03:00 < Phoebus> gather funds for the core developers and help organize any volunteer efforts toward the common goals.
03:13 < mcallan> hi Phoebus, i'm very open to cross-project stuff (all us votorolans are), so i'm definitely interested
03:13 < Phoebus> mcallan, cool. Me and a friend interested ran a small brainstorm/meet back in March.
03:14 < Phoebus> But he hasn't had time ever since. He's a neuroscientist, working at a hospital specializing on epilepsy.
03:14 < Phoebus> Another team I got into, looking to dev a similar project has also gone stagnant due to academia and careers...
03:14 < Phoebus> I made bitvote.net but left it as is due to well... the possibility of working with another group.
03:15 < Phoebus> after the mini-conference though, I see there are tons of groups out there with similar goals.
03:15 < mcallan> yes
03:15 < Phoebus> It would be nice to do what we did at the conference, bring in the best ideas and code from across the field.
03:15 < Phoebus> And to also bring in devs.
03:15 < Phoebus> Make a foundation, do proper fundraising... and get this show on the road.
03:15 < Phoebus> Otherwise I just don't see it happening as quickly, and that's something that I keep finding that we need.
03:15 < Phoebus> I'm a member of the pirate party of greece, we could use this tool.
03:16 < Phoebus> Currently we use liquidfeedback for our stuff, before that just a forum and etherpad and, lots of e-meets.
03:16 < Phoebus> Votorola peaked our interest, lots of really interesting concepts.
03:17 < Phoebus> Not so much in code, but that's ok. I believe it's very important to get the concept, needs and requirements well first.
03:17 < mcallan> yes, lots of work still to do
03:18 < mcallan> i don't think much about funding normally.  but i was a little while back, just for a bit.  you see what i posted to metagov just now? http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2013-September/005873.html
03:22 < Phoebus> ok
03:22 < Phoebus> You're in Toronto right?
03:22 < mcallan> yes
03:23 < Phoebus> I was thinking of starting this foundation in Canada.
03:23 < Phoebus> I have a feeling the legislation is much more favorable and stable for NGO's.
03:25 < mcallan> anything cross-project interests me, but i'm afraid i'm not much good for anything but tech stuff
03:25 < mcallan> not sure how i could help
03:25 < Phoebus> I seem to be better at organizing and motivating... and also well some of the concept work.
03:26 < Phoebus> I also touch on the tech stuff, but I'm not a hardcore dev. I'm a lazy dev at best.
03:27 < mcallan> foundation doesn't need dev tho
03:27 < Phoebus> No, just paperwork and organization.
03:27 < Phoebus> But would be nice if I didn't have to do this alone.
03:29 < mcallan> i can keep you company, at least till i learn more about it, and maybe other people join...
03:29 < mcallan> not sure what else i could do :-)
03:29 < Phoebus> Well, it'll become more clear once we have a better roadmap.
03:29 < Phoebus> But for starters, getting a foundation registered.
03:29 < Phoebus> Making a website / community.
03:30 < Phoebus> Joining concepts across the field.
03:30 < Phoebus> Making invitations to devs/members of other projects.
03:30 < Phoebus> Establish a give-take relationship with more for-profit approaches.
03:30 < conseo> interesting, i will catch up later
03:30 < conseo> gn8
03:30 < Phoebus> ok
03:30 < Phoebus> bye
03:30 < Phoebus> brb
03:30 < mcallan> n8 c
03:33 < mcallan> we should speak, it's late for me now, and irc is difficult...
03:34 < mcallan> do you run skype or mumble?
03:34 < Phoebus> Skype: phoebus.yann mumble, we use the german pirate party's mumble, sec.
03:34 < Phoebus> http://www.pirateparty.gr/wiki/index.php?title=Mumble
03:35 < mcallan> would tomorrow be ok?  i might be too tired now to make much sense
03:35 < Phoebus> yeah I am sleepy myself
03:36 < Phoebus> Athens, greece timezone. I am available from 10 am to 1 and 8 pm to 10 pm.
03:36 < mcallan> what time is it now there?
03:37 < Phoebus> Google wolfram alpha, very useful for converting times.
03:37 < Phoebus> 10:37 am
03:39 < mcallan> hmmm, we must talk at 10 am again.  tomorrow.  we can meet here, ok?
03:39 < Phoebus> Alright, sounds good. Penciling you in.
03:40 < mcallan> ok
19:06 < conseo> (map #(println % "times good morning!") (range 1 11))
19:06 < conseo> :-P
19:53 < mcallan> many good mornings to you.  may they outnumber your nils :-7
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