--- Log opened Tue Sep 17 00:00:29 2013
00:13 < conseo> just found http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/09/09/columbia-river-inter-tribal-fish-commission-joins-anti-mega-load-chorus-resolution-151203 e.g.
00:19 < mcallan> i'm unable to reply c, will catch up tomorrow...
00:19 < conseo> sure
00:20 < mcallan> i'd like to talk about the work.  will you be around tomorrow?
00:22 < conseo> i think so
00:23 < mcallan> ok, i'll ping u
00:23 < mcallan> gn8
00:33 < conseo> gn8
00:36 < conseo> see also http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism if you haven't seen it yet
03:50 < conseo> interestingly i have just found info about problems at the arctic ocean in alaska as well: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/interactive/2013/may/13/newtok-alaska-climate-change-refugees
15:04 < mcallan> conseo: ping
15:08 < mcallan> clojure would be ok.  i think you could choose any language.  it's a green field project, not part of votorola
15:15 < mcallan> i looked at articles.  i think nafeez is not a trustworthy source of info, not a guardian reporter, just a blogger
15:15 < mcallan> we can talk about climate too, and what your plans are there
16:10 < mcallan> i think problem in canada is partly the government (cowboys from alberta), and partly the high price of oil, which makes tar sands reserves economical to tap
16:10 < mcallan> (back soon)
16:30 < conseo> mcallan: pong
16:32 < conseo> it is difficult to cite leaked sources unless you leak them completely. this guy has been involved in the issue as well, but oil production will peak at any point in the next two decades and it will be like the seventies only tougher and becoming worse because it will be more and more difficult to keep producing it
16:33 < conseo> the tar sands cannot fix that, because they cannot produce the oil quick enough, luckily. they still are a big drag, like climate change in general
16:47 < mcallan> ok.  i just started breakfast, how much longer will you be around and awake?  i should be free in 30 min
16:50 < conseo> ok
16:50 < conseo> i will be here
16:52 < mcallan> ok
17:24 < mcallan> conseo: am turning on mumble
17:27 < conseo> ok, me too
18:25 < conseo> puuh, the mumble window is gone
18:25 < conseo> i tried to restore it, i can hear you
--- Log closed Wed Sep 18 00:00:46 2013