--- Log opened Thu Aug 08 00:00:07 2013
17:36 < conseo> mcallan: have you had a look at them yet: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Wu7UvWHVnaTlBIQkMtbXRrOE0/edit?pli=1
17:36 < conseo> ?
17:36 < conseo> (they are not totally exciting, but they have a working product)
18:58 < mcallan> i guess it's a decision tool with a bunch of other stuff rolled into it...
18:59 < mcallan> and unless i'm missing something, it's unrelated to the tech we're developing
19:26 < mcallan> hey, we're invited: http://recursivepublic.net/about/
19:26 < mcallan> i wonder what we're invited *to* . . .
22:44 < conseo> it might not be related to discourse theory (directly), but it works and the company is fairly close to real activist experience (occupy).
22:49 < conseo> they also have formed a cooperative, which is at least interesting
22:56 < mcallan> sure, i was just looking at the technology.  they maybe have some primitive consensus building stuff in there, but they glue it to decision making...
22:56 < conseo> you derive this distinction from habermas, right? can you point out where exactly it is made?
22:57 < mcallan> so we'll have to wait and see which way it splits.  it cannot do both at once
23:02 < conseo> all movements build consensus through action (deciding how and when to act), i have somewhat difficulties to understand the meaning and reasoning behind it
23:06 < mcallan> (i meant which way loomio *toolset/system* splits)
23:07 < conseo> at least according to historical knowledge. for instance wwi would have never happened if formal consenus was uphold (between socialist parties around europe in the 2. Internationale).
23:08 < mcallan> this is maybe too complex for irc, at least for me...
23:11 < mcallan> conseo: i missed your q about habermas earlier.  i guess yes, i get the distinction originally from him.  vol. 2 of his theory is titled 'lifeworld and system'
23:11 < mcallan> (but again, this is all too complex for irc)
23:11 < conseo> ok, thx
23:11 < mcallan> (ok)
23:12 < conseo> well, i cannot talk about it on the phone better, because it is difficult to think and reason that quickly. but even more i think these terms are very shallow when they are not derived from common practice
--- Log closed Fri Aug 09 00:00:25 2013