--- Log opened Thu Apr 04 00:00:57 2013
16:09 -!- You're now known as mcallan
19:33 < mcallan> conseo: in addition to windows test (whenever you get a chance) does it fix firefox?  how long for a cache-clean load to show the text blurb at top?  i was seeing about 7 s on the broken version, which is too long ofc.  http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html
19:33 < mcallan> i really should look for something to slow my network down, so i can replicate myself
19:35 < conseo> mcallan: hmm both are very fast. just updated to firefox 20, don't know if it is related
19:35 < mcallan> both browsers, or both pages?
19:36 < mcallan> (thanks for help, this worries me)
19:37 < conseo> i guess i have to purge the cache? ctrl+r or f5 won't do?
19:37 < mcallan> shift-ctrl-del on both browsers for me...
19:37 < mcallan> ie calls it "temporary files"
19:45 < conseo> it takes in both cases 10-15s until anything shows up, but then the new version appears, while the old version slowly loads the background image
19:45 < conseo> on firefox 20
19:48 < mcallan> shit
19:48 < conseo> hmm, it should not load the stage, once i have cleared the cache right
19:48 < conseo> ?
19:48 < conseo> this one is taking so long, 7s for 228,5 kib of the stage *.cache.js
19:49 < conseo> http://zelea.com/y/vw/votorola.s.gwt.stage.StageIn/56268662569E640E7F05FEA1A498A55D.cache.js
19:50 < mcallan> damn, of course, it won't run till that thing loads
19:51 < mcallan> even if i've fixed the image problem (unclear), the gwt problem remains...
19:52 < mcallan> what an idiot i am!  any newcomer will give up on our sites, because of the initial load time
19:52  * mcallan is an idiot
19:55 < mcallan> so this is drop-dead, high priority.  and i better get a network delayer and test properly
19:55 < mcallan> thanks c
19:59 < conseo> no problem
19:59 < conseo> i thought i'd get the tool-selector on first load though
20:01 < mcallan> oh, not on home page
20:07 < conseo> ah ok
20:21 < mcallan> conseo: hoping to get at least a sane home page.  how fast does this render (again so initial text is readable), at least in firefox?  http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html
20:22 < mcallan> (then i'll look for net delayer, and fix stage problem)
20:32 < conseo> weird: http://www.polyc0l0r.net/votorola/slow-load1.png
20:32 < conseo> stage not loading
20:32 < conseo> retried once
20:32 < mcallan> i removed stage, that's my temporary sanity fix :-)
20:35 < mcallan> conseo: thx for profile.  and how long roughly till you saw top text render?
20:36 < conseo> 5s
20:37 < conseo> can i check on IE now or should i wait?
20:38 < mcallan> right, that makes sense.  that's roughly how long it took to get the final css.  i need to improve that, too, somehow
20:41 < mcallan> if it's not too much trouble for ie, yes.  just to ensure it's sane.   and if possible check old broken one too (both from clean cache ofc), just to see if it's messed (horribly) like i first saw: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/homeBroken1Img.html
20:41 < conseo> ok
20:41 < mcallan> thx c
20:51 < conseo> puuh spyware infected, if not worse
20:51 < conseo> my holy network
20:52 < mcallan> huh, you are infected?
20:55 < conseo> nope, my brother as it seems, ie settings hijacked and pretty slow system start
20:55 < conseo> loads fairly quick though
20:58 < mcallan> (thx c) that's a drag... your linux boxes are secure from attack on the lan tho, i guess?
20:58 < conseo> i don't know if it works as expected, it shows the broken version correctly rendered after clean-cache
20:58 < conseo> i think so, yes
20:59 < conseo> but this is why i don't want windows on my network, there is nothing valuable that u can execute with it
21:01 < mcallan> i have my windows box on lan, just because that's easiest way for me to give it wan access.  i only use windoze for testing.  (no, you would have noticed broken layout, it was a horrible mess.  ok, so we have sane home page)
21:01 < conseo> i don't know what is wrong with it, but it loads the page immediatly after clean cache, probably ie is completely hijacked
21:03 < conseo> this is ridiculous, i have to talk to my brother tomorrow. maybe i can check on his other machine. i wish ie would go away, but we have to defeat m$ for that
21:03 < conseo> he uses firefox, so he probably hasn't noticed
21:03 < mcallan> right.  so maybe it's not a perfect test that ie.  but that's ok...  best we can do for now.  i'll get a net-slower-downer now, and replicate
21:04 < conseo> ok. i think u can use netfilter to use a load-balancing rule for simulation
21:06 < mcallan> yes, thanks... it's looking like the kernel will have everything i need
21:14 < conseo> u could also install TrafficShaperXP.exe with new UI!! integration in ie and office and special offerz for our traffic suite xl after 30 days
21:14 < conseo> no tell me u turn this one down :-D
21:14 < conseo> now
21:18 < mcallan> u mean that one's no good... ?  i want my money back!
21:24 < conseo> hehe
21:55 < mcallan> netem (network emulator) is the kernel thing to use.  i'll give it a try tomorrow
22:00 < mcallan> gn8
--- Log closed Fri Apr 05 00:00:14 2013