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05:35 < conseo> Initially, O’Reilly had little role in this process; the meme of “open source” was promiscuous enough to redefine many important terms without his intervention. But in 2007, O’Reilly hosted yet another summit, attended by technologists and civic hackers, to devise a list of key principles of open government. The group came up with eight principles, all focused on the purely technical issue of how to ensure
05:35 < conseo>  that, once data was released by the government, nothing would hold it back. As long as this “open data” was liquid and reusable, others could build on it. Neither the political process that led to the release of the data nor its content was considered relevant to openness. Thus, data about how many gum-chewers Singapore sends to prison would be “open” as long as the Singaporean government shared it in
05:35 < conseo>  suitable formats
05:35 < conseo> http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_meme_hustler
05:36 < conseo> mcallan: when have u first been confronted with the term "open source"?
10:53 < Riccardo> Hi everybody, can anyone help me with the setup of web user interface? I have to check and try votorola for my university stage, but when I try to go to http://localhost:8080/voff/w/ seems that tomcat does not find the ui and said me error 404
12:38 < mcallan> whoops
12:41 < mcallan> re, oss, sometime in mid-late 90's.  i knew someone who was a linux nut, and we often talked about it
14:54 < conseo> mcallan: is Riccardo on the list?
14:55 < mcallan> he emailed me offlist, and i just replied (i mentioned list to him, too)
14:57 < conseo> mcallan: ok, i mean as a distinction to free software. some bsd people have suggested that open-source is older, but the term seems to be from 1998+ and free software seemingly has framed the whole perspective, while open-source only emphasize the pragmatical benefits of code sharing between producers
14:57 < conseo> mcallan: ok
15:02 < mcallan> open source as a practice is old indeed (probably 50's, at least 80's), but the ideology around it (like Stallman's distinction of "free") became popular around '98, I guess you're right
15:04 < conseo> mcallan: if we can agree upon a design, i would implement the voting algorithm in clojure and export it as java api. if u still want to have it in java as well, we probably can define input-data/interfaces and respected result data and then test different algorithms, so people can play around with different data/user interaction
15:09 < conseo> u might not like it, but i think it would be really helpful to break this part out first and make it accessible to all programming languages on the jvm, clojure only being one example for me to understand the internals better and document it in a imho conciser way
15:09 < conseo> people could do it in python, skala, ruby, javascript or whatever they are into, since the jvm is such a powerful and mature runtime
15:19 < mcallan> recode count engine in clojure?
15:22 < conseo> yes. atm. i have difficulties understanding the code, so i would try to do it anyway and have already played around with some counting code. i don't have to tell u if it upsets u, but i thought it makes some sense to talk to u openly.
15:23 < mcallan> let's talk by skype.  when's a good time?
15:23 < conseo> i am available
15:23 < conseo> mumble or skype?
15:24 < mcallan> ah, mumble.  in5?
15:24 < conseo> ok
15:24 < mcallan> ok
15:25 < conseo> can u use mumble from ur dev machine?
15:25 < conseo> (in general)
15:25 < mcallan> no, not till i fix alsa/mic problem on this box
15:26 < conseo> ok
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