--- Log opened Sun Mar 24 00:00:03 2013
02:01 < mcallan> conseo: ah good, you fixed it...  please reply to bug thread
02:02 < mcallan> not sure about shadow, but go ahead and demo if you have time
10:11 < mcallan> (away for a run)
11:00 < scvnc> Hey mcallan, Vince from everyvote here.
11:05 < mcallan> scvnc: hey vince, good morning!
11:08 < scvnc> mcallan: I'm sorry that the google hangout is being problematic.  There doesn't seem to be a definitive oss conferencing software that "just works" either;  ekiga looks pretty delicious tho
11:10 < mcallan> problem is actually my sound system on this linux box.  can't get the mic working, without spending big time
11:11 < scvnc> ah, yeah.. I know how that goes
11:11 < scvnc> skype will work fine or we'll just figure out your landline
11:12 < mcallan> okay
13:02 < mcallan> mitch says (by email) the group video on skype is not free.  but i don't have video anyway
13:03 < scvnc> Yeah, neither do I
13:03 < Mitch> hellooo
13:03 < scvnc> sup mitch
13:04 -!- Mitch is now known as Guest40925
13:04 < scvnc> lets initiate that phone call
13:04 < Guest40925> and my name changed...
13:04 < scvnc> yeah, irc is loads of fun like that
13:04 < Guest40925> yeah i can do that
13:04 < scvnc> ok
13:04 < mcallan> hey mitch
13:05 < Guest40925> hi mike
13:07 < Guest40925> ok i started a hangout, sent it your way vince
13:07 < Guest40925> should i call your landline mike, or should we just chat in here?
13:08 < mcallan> is landline really free?
13:08 < mcallan> (text chat is not so good for real discussion)
13:09 < Guest40925> my understanding is Hangout is one free phone call per hangout for US and Canada
13:09 < mcallan> ok, let's try it
13:21 < Guest40925> https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/legislative-open-government-data-standards/
14:25 < conseo> we have a mumble instance running on my votorola deployment server v.polyc0l0r.net
14:26 < conseo> scvnc: have u had problems with mumble yet?
14:31 < mcallan> hey c, we just finished talking (me on phone, they on hangouts)...
14:31 < mcallan> we should use mumble next time we talk
14:32 < mcallan> (i mean u and i and thomas)
14:45 < scvnc> I love mumble
14:46 < conseo> ok, then we are all happy once mike gets audio to work :-)
14:46 < scvnc> :)
14:47 < conseo> (which admittedly can be a problem at times. since i have jackd in my setup for audio live coding, switching pulseaudio away from/to it still needs a bit of manual massaging the setup each time ...
14:52 < conseo> they are on a good to become ur facebook of e-dem: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stories_of_us_hub/
14:52 < conseo> on a way
14:55 < mcallan> then i better add them to my list :-)
14:57 < conseo> well, they try to bootstrap it from petitions
14:57 < conseo> they have build in pledges and try to build a community from that. this map seems to be their next step to get users more involved
14:58 < conseo> (probably not really to free them, but they might get some things right after all)
15:02 < mcallan> their voting is brain-dead and their petitions are junk.  they will certainly have to make improvements at *some* point...
15:02 < mcallan> we'll show 'em how to do it ;^)
15:04 < mcallan> if all goes well, i can finally get started on a little coding in the next few days...
15:04 < conseo> but they focus on users first, even if it is through clicktivism. for instance they only post issues immediatly before a bad decision is about to happen by some leadership/government ...
15:05 < conseo> this is fishy, but i can imagine that it works
15:05 < conseo> we should have a petition practice imo, even if it is not our primary concern
15:06 < mcallan> first we *do* have a petition practice, you can see it in legislative action
15:07 < mcallan> but we don't need a million users who click on stupid things, and expect good to come out of it...
15:07 < conseo> yes, but it is hidden in that way. if i raised a petition, i wouldn't even find it. legislative action is very official and imho far-fetched. we should model the practices with a low entry barrier imo
15:08 < conseo> well, some of this million might want to use the tools for more. i am not saying we should go that direction, but we can cover petitions easily
15:08 < conseo> (or not?)
15:09 < conseo> at least a petition is a pretty common practice now, even if it is very limited and hence flawed
15:09 < mcallan> the picture at top here, is a petition: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html
15:09 < conseo> maybe u could add the phrase "(e.g. petition)" to legislative action?
15:10 < conseo> or it is collective expression, or a building a party... if i want to do a petition, then i have to read all practices before i find the legislative action article
15:11 < mcallan> conseo: can u skype?
15:12 < conseo> (well, just think whether u can make the petition use case more accessible without shooting ourselves in the food, i'd appreciate that. but i won't bother u anymore with it)
15:12 < conseo> foot
15:12 < conseo> :-D
15:12 < mcallan> if u have 5 minutes to discuss, i want to understand what u are talking about...
15:13 < mcallan> because i have to sign off and go to sleep momentarily
15:21 < conseo> ok, lets skype
15:22 < mcallan> ok
15:22 < conseo> 3..2..1 wrestle for truth :-D
15:24 < mcallan> :-)
15:24 < mcallan> away from irc
17:28 < conseo> interestingly part of the content on avaaz seems to be cc attributive licensed, which means that one could mirror or even generate a scraped dump of their data. not to say that they are good or anything, just that our field and its openness has many implications...
19:24 -!- Phoebus is now known as Guest28442
20:05 < conseo> mcallan: the shadow doesn't work out that easily, but good to know that css can do that now at least for sane browsers
21:21 -!- Phoebus is now known as Guest38561
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