--- Log opened Sun Mar 24 00:00:03 2013 02:01 < mcallan> conseo: ah good, you fixed it... please reply to bug thread 02:02 < mcallan> not sure about shadow, but go ahead and demo if you have time 10:11 < mcallan> (away for a run) 11:00 < scvnc> Hey mcallan, Vince from everyvote here. 11:05 < mcallan> scvnc: hey vince, good morning! 11:08 < scvnc> mcallan: I'm sorry that the google hangout is being problematic. There doesn't seem to be a definitive oss conferencing software that "just works" either; ekiga looks pretty delicious tho 11:10 < mcallan> problem is actually my sound system on this linux box. can't get the mic working, without spending big time 11:11 < scvnc> ah, yeah.. I know how that goes 11:11 < scvnc> skype will work fine or we'll just figure out your landline 11:12 < mcallan> okay 13:02 < mcallan> mitch says (by email) the group video on skype is not free. but i don't have video anyway 13:03 < scvnc> Yeah, neither do I 13:03 < Mitch> hellooo 13:03 < scvnc> sup mitch 13:04 -!- Mitch is now known as Guest40925 13:04 < scvnc> lets initiate that phone call 13:04 < Guest40925> and my name changed... 13:04 < scvnc> yeah, irc is loads of fun like that 13:04 < Guest40925> yeah i can do that 13:04 < scvnc> ok 13:04 < mcallan> hey mitch 13:05 < Guest40925> hi mike 13:07 < Guest40925> ok i started a hangout, sent it your way vince 13:07 < Guest40925> should i call your landline mike, or should we just chat in here? 13:08 < mcallan> is landline really free? 13:08 < mcallan> (text chat is not so good for real discussion) 13:09 < Guest40925> my understanding is Hangout is one free phone call per hangout for US and Canada 13:09 < mcallan> ok, let's try it 13:21 < Guest40925> https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/legislative-open-government-data-standards/ 14:25 < conseo> we have a mumble instance running on my votorola deployment server v.polyc0l0r.net 14:26 < conseo> scvnc: have u had problems with mumble yet? 14:31 < mcallan> hey c, we just finished talking (me on phone, they on hangouts)... 14:31 < mcallan> we should use mumble next time we talk 14:32 < mcallan> (i mean u and i and thomas) 14:45 < scvnc> I love mumble 14:46 < conseo> ok, then we are all happy once mike gets audio to work :-) 14:46 < scvnc> :) 14:47 < conseo> (which admittedly can be a problem at times. since i have jackd in my setup for audio live coding, switching pulseaudio away from/to it still needs a bit of manual massaging the setup each time ... 14:52 < conseo> they are on a good to become ur facebook of e-dem: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stories_of_us_hub/ 14:52 < conseo> on a way 14:55 < mcallan> then i better add them to my list :-) 14:57 < conseo> well, they try to bootstrap it from petitions 14:57 < conseo> they have build in pledges and try to build a community from that. this map seems to be their next step to get users more involved 14:58 < conseo> (probably not really to free them, but they might get some things right after all) 15:02 < mcallan> their voting is brain-dead and their petitions are junk. they will certainly have to make improvements at *some* point... 15:02 < mcallan> we'll show 'em how to do it ;^) 15:04 < mcallan> if all goes well, i can finally get started on a little coding in the next few days... 15:04 < conseo> but they focus on users first, even if it is through clicktivism. for instance they only post issues immediatly before a bad decision is about to happen by some leadership/government ... 15:05 < conseo> this is fishy, but i can imagine that it works 15:05 < conseo> we should have a petition practice imo, even if it is not our primary concern 15:06 < mcallan> first we *do* have a petition practice, you can see it in legislative action 15:07 < mcallan> but we don't need a million users who click on stupid things, and expect good to come out of it... 15:07 < conseo> yes, but it is hidden in that way. if i raised a petition, i wouldn't even find it. legislative action is very official and imho far-fetched. we should model the practices with a low entry barrier imo 15:08 < conseo> well, some of this million might want to use the tools for more. i am not saying we should go that direction, but we can cover petitions easily 15:08 < conseo> (or not?) 15:09 < conseo> at least a petition is a pretty common practice now, even if it is very limited and hence flawed 15:09 < mcallan> the picture at top here, is a petition: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html 15:09 < conseo> maybe u could add the phrase "(e.g. petition)" to legislative action? 15:10 < conseo> or it is collective expression, or a building a party... if i want to do a petition, then i have to read all practices before i find the legislative action article 15:11 < mcallan> conseo: can u skype? 15:12 < conseo> (well, just think whether u can make the petition use case more accessible without shooting ourselves in the food, i'd appreciate that. but i won't bother u anymore with it) 15:12 < conseo> foot 15:12 < conseo> :-D 15:12 < mcallan> if u have 5 minutes to discuss, i want to understand what u are talking about... 15:13 < mcallan> because i have to sign off and go to sleep momentarily 15:21 < conseo> ok, lets skype 15:22 < mcallan> ok 15:22 < conseo> 3..2..1 wrestle for truth :-D 15:24 < mcallan> :-) 15:24 < mcallan> away from irc 17:28 < conseo> interestingly part of the content on avaaz seems to be cc attributive licensed, which means that one could mirror or even generate a scraped dump of their data. not to say that they are good or anything, just that our field and its openness has many implications... 19:24 -!- Phoebus is now known as Guest28442 20:05 < conseo> mcallan: the shadow doesn't work out that easily, but good to know that css can do that now at least for sane browsers 21:21 -!- Phoebus is now known as Guest38561 --- Log closed Mon Mar 25 00:00:20 2013