--- Log opened Thu Mar 14 00:00:10 2013
00:11 < conseo> how are u?
00:12 < mcallan> good, yourself?  you're up late (or early?)
00:13 < conseo> late, almost falling asleep :-)
00:13 < conseo> how are things going lately?
00:14 < mcallan> me too, about to go offline.  well, i've been writing too many emails, and trying to catch up on work
00:17 < conseo> ok
00:18 < conseo> i have tested mumble-server today, was straight-forward to setup and stable to use over hours, btw.
00:18 < mcallan> that sounds useful, skype is a drag.  sorry i was late replying btw.  will u be around tomorrow
00:19 < conseo> sure
00:19 < mcallan> ?
00:19 < mcallan> ah, ok
00:19 < conseo> nothing urgent though, just curiousity :-)
00:20 < mcallan> ok, till tomorrow then.  good night, c
00:23 < conseo> gn8
13:10 < mcallan> conseo: you there c?
13:10 < conseo> yep, i'll just fetch a cup of soup
13:10 < mcallan> ok
13:13 < conseo> back
13:32 < conseo> have u done any work on the executive practices?
13:50 < mcallan> i'm starting to diagram today, and can hopefully post today or tomorrow...
13:51 < mcallan> this diagram won't deal with the stuff we discussed by skype tho.  that goes in immed. action now
13:52 < mcallan> conseo: not sure if u saw the bug i posted, about the talk track
13:53 < conseo> where? i can't find it
13:55 < mcallan> http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2013-March/001631.html
14:09 < conseo> nope, they are not em positionings. not sure what it is but the old diff-feed had the same problem with zooming
14:09 < conseo> looks like firefox is rounding the px measueres (due to firebug)
14:09 < conseo> but chromium also shows the artifacts in some zoom settings
14:11 < conseo> it is better in chromium though and one can see that they partially realign on mouse-movements (so it cannot be absolute positionings only)
14:12 < mcallan> i don't use zooming.  i see the artifacts because of my font size, as selected in preferences.  almost certainly it is related to em units (or it's something new i never saw)
14:15 < conseo> i have no idea...
14:17 < mcallan> it may take a while to trace.  detective work with firebug, looking at sizes of elements and so forth...
14:17 < mcallan> if you get stuck, i can have a look
14:18 < mcallan> you can replicate, right?
14:20 < conseo> only with zooming, which font are u using?
14:20 < mcallan> don't zoom.  just set a small font size, as i say in the post
14:21 < mcallan> (take your time)
14:21 < conseo> i think this issue really sucks... so i don't feel the motivation atm. to fix it. i have again looked at all the elements, no distances in em in firebug, no positions with floats in px
14:22 < conseo> it has already frustrated me in the diff-feed
14:22 < conseo> the right thing to do, would be to do the whole bubble in svg and alter the text accordingly imo, but well we are on the web after all :-/
14:23 < mcallan> i would just trace the fault using firebug myself, as i suggest above...
14:24 < conseo> ok
14:25 < mcallan> cool.  if you can replicate, i'm sure you'll trace the problem
20:37 < conseo> mcallan:  i can reproduce both in firefox and chromium but am too lazy to fix it now
20:37 < conseo> i'll put it on my agenda, if i get org-mode to work
20:42 < conseo> done
22:53 < grisac> Hello1
22:57 < mcallan> hello grisac
22:58 < mcallan> welcome
22:59 < grisac> Thanks, I read today about your project and I couldn't wait to meet you!
23:05 < grisac> I'm Sergio, from Argentina, I'm participating in some projects here in relation to direct democracy. A friend of mine found Votorola. It's a wonderful surprise to find similar ideas all around the globe.
23:09 < mcallan> welcome sergio!  what projects are u participating in?
23:09 < grisac> eudemocracia and a personal one that has no name yet
23:10 < mcallan> (looking)
23:10 < grisac> http://eudemocracia.org/
23:10 < grisac> I'm just a collaborator
23:11 < mcallan> wow, there are so many of our projects...
23:11 < mcallan> and so many from latin america, too, these days
23:13 < mcallan> (at some point, i hope we all start working together)
23:14 < grisac> yes, in one hand is great because it means that there is a lot of good people thinking and on the other hand worries me because i think that this kind of solutions will work once one solution is adopted massively, so many other efforts will be discarded.
23:15 < grisac> i totally agree we have to work together, i'm sure we will find a way to converge
23:15 < mcallan> i'm concerned about that discarding, too.  i don't want to see a facebook of democracy, and no viable alternatives
23:16 < grisac> OMG! i don't want to see that neither.
23:16 < mcallan> does your project have any voting tools, yet?
23:18 < grisac> in eudemocracia they are developing a voting tool and testing bettermeans, i'm developing like a meta-model for voting
23:19 < mcallan> maybe you could join us, in this proposal? https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/free-range-voting/
23:19 < grisac> to be fair, the guys of eudemocracia are testing other tools for years
23:20 < mcallan> (sure it's good to try different tools)
23:33 < grisac> it is great! I agree. How can I help? I'm a developer (and also  a human with ideas :)
23:35 < mcallan> we have two voting providers now (agora and votorola).  the more we get, the better our chances of winning the funds to develop the mirroring network...
23:35 < mcallan> do you know of any other voting projects that might join us?  right now, i guess that's the most important thing
23:37 < mcallan> (not that all of us need funds to do this work, but it would help to win the support of knight, ofc)
23:40 < grisac> I'll send an email to two groups I know tried to develop voting systems
23:41 < mcallan> thank you :-)
23:42 < grisac> Do you know if there is someone trying to standardize a voter ID, proposal and vote?
23:43 < grisac> in a way that different platforms can interact?
23:44 < mcallan> 3 projects i know that have been trying to do cross-project stuff for a while now are (1) votorola/outcast ofc..
23:44 < mcallan> (2) this pirate working group in germany: https://service.piratenpartei.de/pipermail/ag-meinungsfindungstool/
23:45 < mcallan> and (3) everyvote http://everyvote.org/about/goals/
23:54 < grisac> i've read your emails with Ag Meinungsfindungstool group, i agree on what they've said, do you know if they have developed any software yet or they are designing?
23:54 < grisac> everyvote seems to be on design too...
23:56 < mcallan> the ag group is doing early prototype work.  i'm not sure about everyvote, i think they have running software, but no cross-project designs yet
23:57 < grisac> i have my design almost complete, but it is entirely on spanish, i can translate it, but I don't know if it will help to add more ideas...
23:58 < mcallan> you mean your meta-model for voting?
23:59 < grisac> yes, it is more than voting, that's the problem, voting is a part of it, the entire idea is to make a kind of toolkit to generate organizations.
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