--- Log opened Wed Feb 27 00:00:24 2013
00:19 < mcallan> nearly my end, too. cu 2morrow
00:19 < mcallan> n8
00:50 < edwincheese> come across this project after seeing an email forwarded to liberationtech list
01:04 < mcallan> geetings edwincheese, i'm just reading the same responses, which i stumbled on
01:07 < mcallan> https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-February/007329.html
01:07 < edwincheese> your project looks interesting
01:07 < edwincheese> i am stumbling upon those projects listed in http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Active_projects too
01:07 < edwincheese> do you know how many are they still active?
01:13 < mcallan> looking...
01:14 < mcallan> i only know 3 or 4 that are active for sure
01:15 < mcallan> liquid feedback (pirate party) and adhocracy in germany, for instance
01:16 < mcallan> most of them i'm unfamiliar with
01:17 < edwincheese> thanks
01:18 < edwincheese> indeed, i had been thinking about how an electronic voting system could help improving the democratic development in Hong Kong
01:19 < edwincheese> by the way, i am a software engineer from Hong Kong. living in SF bay area at this moment
01:21 < mcallan> i see, interesting.  i'm same, but in toronto :-)
01:22 < mcallan> i work on internet voting, which is not directly connected with elections and electronic ballots
01:22 < mcallan> (something i need to explain when i reply to that thread)
01:26 < edwincheese> i think so :)
01:27 < edwincheese> what do you think about creditability of internet voting?
01:28 < mcallan> i work with public votes (full disclosure) which makes credibility relatively easy (something else i need to explain when i post)
01:29 < edwincheese> people challenge internet voting for lack of voter verification. The voter identification, even it is public, is not verified. It means that double voting is still possible, isn't it?
01:30 < edwincheese> in face of powerful adversary, the voting result could be easily distorted
01:31 < mcallan> yes. we have designs for that, though only partly implemented to date. streetwiki and so forth, pictured here: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/d/architecture.xht
01:32 < mcallan> is your name edwin? (mine's mike)
01:33 < edwincheese> yes
01:34 < edwincheese> some of my friends thought about voter registration too. but there is another problem
01:34 < edwincheese> protecting the privacy of voters are hard
01:35 < mcallan> again, our initial solution is full disclosure. there is no privacy at all
01:36 < mcallan> (we begin with what's easiest to code)
01:37 < edwincheese> in the voter registration, do you record any kind of identification information, like name, date of birth, driving license, or photo?
01:39 < edwincheese> perhaps your solution is targeting a small town where just the name is enough identification
01:39 < edwincheese> that's true privacy is not a problem in this case
01:40 < mcallan> i think the only things the trust network needs to verify registrant are online id, and residential address. the address is the crucial thing
01:40 < mcallan> when u extend 'trust' to a neighbour, u are saying yes, this ID is person i know, who lives at that address
01:41 < mcallan> i can give u some links...
01:42 < mcallan> http://zelea.com/w/User:Mike-ZeleaCom/Streetwiki
01:42 < mcallan> also: http://zelea.com/w/User:Mike-ZeleaCom/G/p/edor
01:42 < edwincheese> i am reading that page
01:43 < edwincheese> sound like a web of trust system
01:43 < mcallan> yes
01:48 < mcallan> i must sign off soon edwin, it's end of my day
01:49 < edwincheese> see you mike
01:49 < edwincheese> thanks for your explanation
01:51 < mcallan> you're welcome. i'm back tomorrow... nice meeting you
01:51 < mcallan> good night
08:33 < conseo> mcallan: am awake again :-) ping me when you are too...
16:18 < mcallan> conseo: ping
16:19 < conseo> mcallan: hey
16:19 < mcallan> hey
16:19 < mcallan> wait, u are wanting me to pull, right?
16:20 < conseo> nope, i am here if you like to unless their are problems to fix
16:21 < conseo> there are
16:22 < conseo> pull whenever you are ready...
16:23 < mcallan> ok, i always pull into a branch, so it's never a problem if the build breaks or something. i can pull sometime today probably. but sooner ofc, if it's urgent
16:24 < mcallan> i shouldn't even have mentioned it, because i can just pull regardless. i assume whatever is committed is ready to run...
16:25 < mcallan> so pay no attention to me :-)
16:38 < mcallan> conseo: it seems i am pulling your proposed change of 'test' users to 'guest' users. is that true?
16:40 < conseo> yes, sry can revert that. i have also fixed a bug in the hud of the polltrack on the way
16:43 < mcallan> changing 'test-' to 'guest-' might be days of work on my part. then might have to be re-done in two weeks, when i code pipes. they are impersonal users too, and there may be synergy there. better maybe to wait till after i code pipes. agree?
16:44 < conseo> yes
16:45 < mcallan> ok, ping me when test- changes removed. i will re-pull
17:05 < conseo> mcallan: done
17:23 < mcallan> i point out some problems as i review:
17:24 < mcallan> thank u for this. plz format indentation braces etc. to match rest of code: hg diff votorola/s/gwt/stage/poll/HeadsUpDisplay.java
17:26 < mcallan> (2) this seems to be error: hg diff votorola/s/gwt/stage/vote/HeadsUpDisplay.java
17:27 < mcallan> conseo: 2 problems ^^^^^^^^
17:38 < conseo> ok, vote/HeadsUpDisplay.java accident fixed. indentation is 4 spaces on block-level, braces look much the same like vote/HeadsUpDisplay
17:38 < conseo> do you mean lines, comments and ordering?
17:40 < mcallan> i never format if/else like that. sorry to be so picky about my code, but that's me. ok tho to revert if unsure. i can port your solution myself when needed
17:42 < conseo> ah u mean egyptian braces :-)
17:43 < conseo> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/new-programming-jargon.html
17:45 < mcallan> no king tut for me ;^)
18:15 < conseo> mcallan: should be fixed now, tell me if you have more formatting guidelines
21:53 < conseo> gn8
22:00 < mcallan> n8 c
22:43 < mcallan> wow, edwin has been involved in the real stuff in hong kong: https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-February/007341.html
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