--- Log opened Wed Feb 27 00:00:24 2013 00:19 < mcallan> nearly my end, too. cu 2morrow 00:19 < mcallan> n8 00:50 < edwincheese> come across this project after seeing an email forwarded to liberationtech list 01:04 < mcallan> geetings edwincheese, i'm just reading the same responses, which i stumbled on 01:07 < mcallan> https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-February/007329.html 01:07 < edwincheese> your project looks interesting 01:07 < edwincheese> i am stumbling upon those projects listed in http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Active_projects too 01:07 < edwincheese> do you know how many are they still active? 01:13 < mcallan> looking... 01:14 < mcallan> i only know 3 or 4 that are active for sure 01:15 < mcallan> liquid feedback (pirate party) and adhocracy in germany, for instance 01:16 < mcallan> most of them i'm unfamiliar with 01:17 < edwincheese> thanks 01:18 < edwincheese> indeed, i had been thinking about how an electronic voting system could help improving the democratic development in Hong Kong 01:19 < edwincheese> by the way, i am a software engineer from Hong Kong. living in SF bay area at this moment 01:21 < mcallan> i see, interesting. i'm same, but in toronto :-) 01:22 < mcallan> i work on internet voting, which is not directly connected with elections and electronic ballots 01:22 < mcallan> (something i need to explain when i reply to that thread) 01:26 < edwincheese> i think so :) 01:27 < edwincheese> what do you think about creditability of internet voting? 01:28 < mcallan> i work with public votes (full disclosure) which makes credibility relatively easy (something else i need to explain when i post) 01:29 < edwincheese> people challenge internet voting for lack of voter verification. The voter identification, even it is public, is not verified. It means that double voting is still possible, isn't it? 01:30 < edwincheese> in face of powerful adversary, the voting result could be easily distorted 01:31 < mcallan> yes. we have designs for that, though only partly implemented to date. streetwiki and so forth, pictured here: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/d/architecture.xht 01:32 < mcallan> is your name edwin? (mine's mike) 01:33 < edwincheese> yes 01:34 < edwincheese> some of my friends thought about voter registration too. but there is another problem 01:34 < edwincheese> protecting the privacy of voters are hard 01:35 < mcallan> again, our initial solution is full disclosure. there is no privacy at all 01:36 < mcallan> (we begin with what's easiest to code) 01:37 < edwincheese> in the voter registration, do you record any kind of identification information, like name, date of birth, driving license, or photo? 01:39 < edwincheese> perhaps your solution is targeting a small town where just the name is enough identification 01:39 < edwincheese> that's true privacy is not a problem in this case 01:40 < mcallan> i think the only things the trust network needs to verify registrant are online id, and residential address. the address is the crucial thing 01:40 < mcallan> when u extend 'trust' to a neighbour, u are saying yes, this ID is person i know, who lives at that address 01:41 < mcallan> i can give u some links... 01:42 < mcallan> http://zelea.com/w/User:Mike-ZeleaCom/Streetwiki 01:42 < mcallan> also: http://zelea.com/w/User:Mike-ZeleaCom/G/p/edor 01:42 < edwincheese> i am reading that page 01:43 < edwincheese> sound like a web of trust system 01:43 < mcallan> yes 01:48 < mcallan> i must sign off soon edwin, it's end of my day 01:49 < edwincheese> see you mike 01:49 < edwincheese> thanks for your explanation 01:51 < mcallan> you're welcome. i'm back tomorrow... nice meeting you 01:51 < mcallan> good night 08:33 < conseo> mcallan: am awake again :-) ping me when you are too... 16:18 < mcallan> conseo: ping 16:19 < conseo> mcallan: hey 16:19 < mcallan> hey 16:19 < mcallan> wait, u are wanting me to pull, right? 16:20 < conseo> nope, i am here if you like to unless their are problems to fix 16:21 < conseo> there are 16:22 < conseo> pull whenever you are ready... 16:23 < mcallan> ok, i always pull into a branch, so it's never a problem if the build breaks or something. i can pull sometime today probably. but sooner ofc, if it's urgent 16:24 < mcallan> i shouldn't even have mentioned it, because i can just pull regardless. i assume whatever is committed is ready to run... 16:25 < mcallan> so pay no attention to me :-) 16:38 < mcallan> conseo: it seems i am pulling your proposed change of 'test' users to 'guest' users. is that true? 16:40 < conseo> yes, sry can revert that. i have also fixed a bug in the hud of the polltrack on the way 16:43 < mcallan> changing 'test-' to 'guest-' might be days of work on my part. then might have to be re-done in two weeks, when i code pipes. they are impersonal users too, and there may be synergy there. better maybe to wait till after i code pipes. agree? 16:44 < conseo> yes 16:45 < mcallan> ok, ping me when test- changes removed. i will re-pull 17:05 < conseo> mcallan: done 17:23 < mcallan> i point out some problems as i review: 17:24 < mcallan> thank u for this. plz format indentation braces etc. to match rest of code: hg diff votorola/s/gwt/stage/poll/HeadsUpDisplay.java 17:26 < mcallan> (2) this seems to be error: hg diff votorola/s/gwt/stage/vote/HeadsUpDisplay.java 17:27 < mcallan> conseo: 2 problems ^^^^^^^^ 17:38 < conseo> ok, vote/HeadsUpDisplay.java accident fixed. indentation is 4 spaces on block-level, braces look much the same like vote/HeadsUpDisplay 17:38 < conseo> do you mean lines, comments and ordering? 17:40 < mcallan> i never format if/else like that. sorry to be so picky about my code, but that's me. ok tho to revert if unsure. i can port your solution myself when needed 17:42 < conseo> ah u mean egyptian braces :-) 17:43 < conseo> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/new-programming-jargon.html 17:45 < mcallan> no king tut for me ;^) 18:15 < conseo> mcallan: should be fixed now, tell me if you have more formatting guidelines 21:53 < conseo> gn8 22:00 < mcallan> n8 c 22:43 < mcallan> wow, edwin has been involved in the real stuff in hong kong: https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-February/007341.html --- Log closed Thu Feb 28 00:00:41 2013