--- Log opened Mon Feb 25 00:00:49 2013
12:15 < conseo> mcallan: i have added a dumb "window" popup for the kicking, you need to select an actor in votetrack first for the cross button to show up on hover: http://zelea.com/w/Mann/p/urgar
15:42 < mcallan> conseo: better if cross button always shows up, and always pops tool window. then disable kick button in tool window (grey it out) until actor selected. this requires stage listener, ofc. what do u think?
16:00 < conseo> hmm, ok. i'll have a look what i can do...
16:07 < conseo> the stage http://zelea.com/w/Mann/p/urgar is broken in my chromium. does it work in yours?
16:25 < mcallan> the talk bubble looks nice! what kind of break am i looking for?
16:27 < mcallan> (damn, this thing looks good!)
16:46 < mcallan> afk
17:05 < conseo> see zelea.com:/home/c/chromium-problem1.jpg
17:06 < conseo> Version 24.0.1312.56 Ubuntu 12.10 (24.0.1312.56-0ubuntu0.12.10.3)
17:29 < mcallan> wow, that's grotesque. don't see that with 25.0 ...
17:31 < mcallan> basically the stage view is too thick, right?
17:34 < mcallan> conseo: do u see the same problem here? http://zelea.com/w/Wiki:Privacy_policy
17:34 < mcallan> i need a fast, simple page for browsershots
17:43 < mcallan> conseo: it
17:45 < mcallan> conseo: (sry) it's too difficult tracing by browsershots. please tell me (when u get chance) which deployments (mediawiki, pollwiki, mailing list, home page, etc) suffer from this
17:45 < conseo> ok
17:46 < mcallan> then i can try browsershots on different versions. i need the simplest possible page that shows fault (quick load time)
17:52 < conseo> mcallan: simplest problematic example: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html
17:52 < conseo> wiki also
17:53 < mcallan> what about here? http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/
17:54 < mcallan> (2) also here? http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Metagovernment:Privacy_policy
17:55 < mcallan> please check both
17:55 < conseo> yep, both
17:55 < mcallan> cool, thx. trying shots...
18:02 < conseo> mcallan: like this: http://havoc.zelea.com/w/Mann/p/urgar
18:02 < conseo> ?
18:04 < mcallan> i see a little window that says "select an actor"...
18:05 < conseo> actor is the stage terminus, right? how can i say that better?
18:05 < mcallan> but should be a kick button in there, no?
18:06 < mcallan> it's like any ui, right? no different here
18:07 < conseo> it is a button, and a close button. i could highlight the background when active to make it look like a button
18:07 < mcallan> it should say "Kick", no? because it's a kick button
18:08 < conseo> you have to select a voter first
18:08 < mcallan> buttons never change layout - no ui changes layout - according to state
18:08 < mcallan> otherwise user (like me) is lost
18:10 < mcallan> this is your window, basically: [Kick] [Close]  ... plus any other tools/views you need there
18:10 < mcallan> it *always* has the same layout
18:12 < mcallan> browsershots cannot replicate on windows, chrome 22, 23, 24: http://browsershots.org/http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/
18:13 < mcallan> it won't let me test 24/linux
18:16 < mcallan> but 17 and 25 are ok on linux: especially the crucial public interface on which its legitimacy depends
18:16 < mcallan> (whoops!): http://browsershots.org/http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/
18:17 < mcallan> conseo: something funny about your chromium ??
18:27 < conseo> maybe
18:27 < conseo> i have some plugins in there
18:27 < conseo> will deactivate all
18:27 < conseo> weird, now it works
18:30 < conseo> sry for your efforts
18:31 < mcallan> no prob, now u know how to trace urself in future
18:31 < conseo> it was adblock
18:31 < conseo> adblock plus
18:32 < mcallan> (weird, but actually plugins are most common source of problems)
18:40 < conseo> because of the cross site javascript loading?
18:45 < mcallan> i meant source of most browser bugs, period (maybe i exaggerate a little)
18:57 < conseo> yes, but they only restrict some functionality, so i was wondering what is particularly the problem here. are these bugs all over the place?
18:59 < conseo> mcallan: the phrasing is still a bit rough http://havoc.zelea.com/w/Mann/p/urgar
18:59 < conseo> is that better?
19:02 < mcallan> i trust u. plz finish and post. (easy to fix later)
19:02 < conseo> ok
20:23 < conseo> mcallan: posted
21:19 < mcallan> cool, will look 2morrow, after get my own work posted
21:28 < conseo> ok. gn8
22:32 < mcallan> n8 c
--- Log closed Tue Feb 26 00:00:06 2013