--- Log opened Wed Jan 09 00:00:48 2013
01:22 < mcallan> conseo: (heads up) i want to say "Votorola is social software for the support of public autonomy through communicative action.  We develop the tools of political participation for a society that steers a deliberate course with its eyes wide open."
01:27 < mcallan> i think you will object to the word 'political', but i mean it in technical sense of social power, or force.  i'm thinking there is no way to deliberately steer or shape anything (including economy) except by force
02:35 < mcallan> never mind, the whole thing sucks :-P
02:35 < mcallan> (at some point, i'll come out on top of this mess)
05:57 < mcallan> i think i got it down.  three techniques are pretty much sufficient: 1) grow from general to specific, 2) maintain a single diff, 3) move freely.  when you get into the details, there's alot happening, but it all has a common pattern that can be documented in little rules of thumb and procedures.  it has a very different feel from anything we ever tried before
06:03 < mcallan> it's more structured and more chatty, and (big difference) you always know precisely what you should be talking about
06:04 < mcallan> (the key is in how the text flows downstream)
06:06 < mcallan> (i'll doc it in rough till it's all covered, or till thomas is back, then we can talk about it)
06:06 < mcallan> i'm off
20:35 < conseo> ok
20:38 < conseo> mcallan: well, the force at the same time is the limitation of economical power. i rather think it of a structural groundwork for free action
20:39 < conseo> i agree with the term political here, though, as we do so conciously and not purely by economical exchange
20:39 < conseo> in that sense one can bend (force) the economical structure to any way of organizing anything meaningful to the participants
20:40 < conseo> this though is a tough task in itself, we have to try how such a structure grows
21:01 < conseo> some things we will be able to find out by trying it out hopefully
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