--- Log opened Tue Nov 27 00:00:49 2012
19:12 < conseo> mcallan: have you ever thought about the case, where you don't want to be voted for by somebody (e.g. refuse the vote or block it)?
19:32 < mcallan> yes, but vote formalizes somebody's opinion.  if we allow block, then it breaks formalization.  now we are no longer formalizing voter's opinion, but something else
19:48 < mcallan> then again, that's not completely true.  vote for *immediate* candidate does not necessarily mean agreement or assent (opinion).  more often it means, "we're working together to reach consensus"
19:51 < mcallan> if that were ever abused and attackers voted for a candidate just in order to take up all the dart sectors and *not* to work together, but rather to *prevent* that, then we might have a problem
19:53 < mcallan> but that's a strange kind of attack.  they would probably do more damage to themselves, than to the candidate and his true branch of voters
19:53 < mcallan> (interesting)
20:35 < serapath> why you think its a strange kind of attack?
20:36 < serapath> and why would they do more damage to themselves in the short or mid term?
20:36 < serapath> (maybe in the long term - but suppose they dont think long term)
20:37 < serapath> btw - whats a dart sector?
20:40 < mcallan> hi serapath.  http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/count/CountNode.html#dartSector()
20:43 < mcallan> i was thinking the idea of the attack would be to take over the dart board, so the ordinary voters are displaced, and aren't shown in ui views
20:44 < mcallan> for that, the attackers would need more votes than the original voters
20:46 < mcallan> there are two problems for these attackers (1) losing their voters, and (2) while voting for the attacked candidate (whom they dislike), they are no longer voting for the candidate they like
21:48 < serapath> ok, cant follow, because i lack the background knowledge. what you just said, even though i read the link you gave me, sounds to me like complete gibberish :)
21:48 < serapath> i mean, i understand. the ui can be hijacked when someone takes the risk of losing voters and the problem of of not voting for his favourite candidate.
21:48 < serapath> ...but i dont get the mechanics.
21:48 < serapath> probably because its like breaking crypto - you have to get really into crypto stuff to actually understand crypto attacks
21:48 < serapath> probably because i didnt sleep last night and right now its 4 o'clock in the morning.
21:48 < serapath> so i say good night for today... tonight... have a good night too. :-)
21:51 < mcallan> n8 alex
21:51 < mcallan> (i will explain another time, it's easy)
--- Log closed Wed Nov 28 00:00:06 2012