--- Log opened Sat Sep 29 00:00:23 2012
08:08 < conseo> mcallan: how was your late-night tour? :-)
15:56 < mcallan> definitely worthwhile.  i plan to repeat it shortly
16:04 < conseo> ok
16:06 < conseo> mcallan: i link v.polyc0l0r.net to havoc.zelea.com to demonstrate on the list, right? i then need to post difference links to v.polyc0l0r.net:8080/v/w/D?... to a/our list harvest them and show it off? i thought to just create a dedicated thread for these tests
16:13 < mcallan> re wiki: only you have access to havoc.  i figured you would link your dev server to that one, like i do
16:16 < mcallan> re list: we can use this one for testing: http://mail.zelea.com/mailman/listinfo/sandbox
16:39 < mcallan> (and then ofc your poly server goes to the ref pollwiki, same as the ref server.  you would post diff links there just as you say, except they needn't be restricted to single thread afaik)
16:44 < conseo> ok, i have understood you similarly, but i wasn't sure whether i should add mannheim to zelea.com yet
16:48 < conseo> mcallan: should i keep Mannheim in german?
16:49 < conseo> i mean Mann/...
16:50 < mcallan> re german, sure, whatever is most appropriate.  warning tho, if u don't use p (Mann/p/*) for namespacing the polls, then you might uncover some deep bugs
16:50 < mcallan> re Mann in ref wiki.  i would wait till its fully debugged in havoc
16:53 < conseo> now i am confused. you said i should show my talktrack with the votespace of v.polyc0l0r.net (my v server), but how can i do it without using havoc then? or should i expose a different instance on my server (like voff)?
16:57 < mcallan> havoc has nothing to do with anything except dev testing.  why should it be required for a public server like poly?  it's not required for my/our public ref server
16:58 < conseo> ok, but if the ref pollwiki has no area mannheim i have to show it with votespace, not on the wiki. i will do so then, but i have understood you that i should wait until stage 2 works, which i know would not expose anyway
16:59 < conseo> s/know/now
17:00 < mcallan> i am confused.  stage 2 *does* work, tho still needs testing.  ref *will* have Mann as soon as you/we finish debugging it on dev
17:01 < mcallan> all i am saying is to test it before demo in public, and do so on dev machines, not public ones
17:02 < mcallan> we have a *dev* cluster that is full functional (pollwiki and vote-servers), that only you and i can see at the moment.  this is havoc wiki, my havoc tomcat, and your local host tomcat (i guess)...
17:02 < conseo> ok, so (1) i will post some messages with diff-links to my bridge on v.polyc0l0r.net:8080/v/D to the list (2) harvest them (3) then post status update with link to my stage on votespace?
17:03 < conseo> mcallan: i agree, i just thought i should expose my area Mann with my stage and show people that i have control by having the talk track there before you have configured it. this is how i understood you some time, but no problem
17:04 < mcallan> let's skype, because i still don't understand why you feel there is *any* restriction on what you can do.  ok?
17:05 < mcallan> (it's admittedly confusing)
17:07 < mcallan> so yes, you can do what you just said.  i don't see how it conflicts with what i said.  so let's talk and clarify
17:07 < conseo> (i am online in skype) my question was just how i should present my talktrack. i will play around with Mann on havoc anyway, but i would like to get some feedback on the track anyway
17:07 < mcallan> yes, that is what i am suggesting, too
17:09 < conseo> ok
17:13 < mcallan> (u are online, but no response)
17:13 < conseo> sry, i am cooking atm. almost finished
17:14 < mcallan> i will wait.  ring me
17:14 < mcallan> (i mean no rush, finish eating 1st)
18:46 < conseo> mcallan: is Tor a good example? it has no division property set
18:47 < conseo> [[Category:Division]] i mean
18:55 < mcallan> tor is good full example, with all bells and whistles.  but tor on *ref* wiki, not dev (unless you ensure pages are sync'd) ...
18:56 < mcallan> stub areas (like bc) are better minimal examples.  since bc needs only single div at moment, div is defined on area page, instead of separate
18:56 < mcallan> (to see tor divs, click on maps)
19:20 < mcallan> bugs fixed and i still have light to run.  back in a while...
20:20 < conseo> cool! i am off for today, gn8
20:39 < mcallan> n8 c
--- Log closed Sun Sep 30 00:00:40 2012