--- Log opened Thu Aug 30 00:00:10 2012
02:23 < mcallan> conseo: the rest?  you're not planning to reformat the source code, are you?
02:26 < mcallan> conseo: also, let me know if you need the _ package moved to g.  i can do it, if you like
11:44 < conseo> mcallan: i will reformat the code i am working on automatically through eclipse to java convention, but with only spaces as you wish
11:46 < conseo> i would like to separate packages in different build packages (with maven only), to get a better separation and clear understanding of dependencies.
11:46 < mcallan> never used eclipse.  it won't auto re-format every file you work on, will it?
11:47 < conseo> i have configured it that way for the moment, because my coding style can be improved and i will stick to conventions for that
11:47 < conseo> i can disable it again
11:47 < conseo> but i would like to be able to use it if i need to
11:48 < mcallan> hopefully it has format-now function, as opposed to the auto one?
11:49  * mcallan doesn't want his own files eclipsified
11:52 < conseo> it is not eclipsified it is java-convetionlized :-D http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/documentation/codeconvtoc-136057.html
11:53 < conseo> i won't reformat your files. period. i'll have a look at how to do it
11:53 < conseo> no big issue
11:55 < conseo> i also will keep eclipse stuff out of the repo, only maven will be added, which can be run from command line or else-where and has nothing to do with eclipse
11:56 < mcallan> cool, max freedom for all
11:57 < conseo> yep
11:58 < conseo> the issue with votorola._ is not really clear to me though, in general i have a problem with understanding what each package does in respect to the others
11:59 < conseo> i don't understand the dependencies and maven allows me to factor packages into modules.
11:59 < conseo> i have tried to do so with votorola.a.diff.harvest as nothing outside of it depends on it, except HarvestWAP and VOHarvest
12:00 < conseo> only to learn that WAP hardcodes to HarvestWAP
12:01 < mcallan> we have only one java module (jar).  in future g might be factored out as separate jar, and i try to ensure it depends on nothing else.  that's all
12:02 < mcallan> a g s etc. are not modules, just directories.  #1 purpose is clarity of design
12:02 < conseo> well, yes i know. but this is mostly due to the build system. it would be easy to move parts of the code base to different modules and then better undestand where your dependencies are, when you work on code
12:02 < conseo> you also can work on single modules
12:02 < conseo> well sure, i want clarity
12:03 < conseo> a and g are very general names while count, trust and so on are relatively independant packages
12:03 < conseo> what i mean is independant functionality
12:04 < conseo> i don't want to rearrange the code base, i would just like to have packages which i can symlink to different maven modules
12:05 < conseo> for this some dependencies or split ups might be necessary and i wanted to ask you if you have objections
12:06 < conseo> i will tell you before i commit something like that so you can object
12:06 < conseo> but if you don't like to modularize the code base in general, than this might be a waste of time
12:07 < mcallan> i don't understand your concept of 'modularize'.  i have lots of exp in component software dev, but components are deployment constructs.  they are not design abstractions
12:10 < conseo> i am rather talking about dependency management. atm. i don't really now which code will be effected if i do a change somewhere (like e.g. the WAP component depending directly on HarvestWAP). if i have different modules in the build i can define dependencies between them and then define interfaces to simplify dependencies. this is what apache at least does with its bla.blub.* interface bla.blub.impl.* implementation
12:10 < conseo>  separations
12:10 < conseo> i don't need anything from you in fact. this looks like i am disturbing the whole code base or workflow, which i will not
12:16 < mcallan> i don't understand the problem.  it's not one that's bitten me yet.  but you're saying yoy don't need me to understand...
12:16 < mcallan> so it's cool
12:28 < mcallan> it's the end of my day c, i think i'll go for a run...
12:32 < conseo> ok, enjoy the late summer atmosphere :-)
12:34 < mcallan> thank u!  till soon... cu
--- Log closed Fri Aug 31 00:00:27 2012