--- Log opened Thu Aug 16 00:00:22 2012
16:17 < conseo> mcallan: puuh, firewall failure, seems like two cards are toast. i am experimenting with a different setup now
16:45 < mcallan> ouch, bad news
17:20 < conseo> mcallan: i have dived a bit in your perl build code
17:21 < conseo> i would like to do test-driven development and junit4 expects ant. i don't know if and how this can be properly integrated in perl, but most tools i have come to know interface code through the build system
17:52 < conseo> i know you prefer it the current way
18:49 < mcallan> can move to a new build platform (after beta), if benefits outweigh cost.  we'd have to talk about what platform...
18:50 < mcallan> good test tools should work with any build platform.  it should be possible to do your tests in meantime
18:51 < mcallan> going for a run, back in a while ...
19:01 < conseo> the point is not technical. ant is a standard and used by packages (who don't know perl) or experimental java developers (who also have to learn our dedicated build scripts in perl) and all these tools which we have to offer a way to build tests and run them. if you want to automate that, then you have to do everything by hand (if it even is possible)
19:02 < conseo> i would like to able to run stuff like this: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Meet+Jenkins to continously check for regressions and exposing development versions automatically
20:54 < mcallan> conseo: i hate ant with a deep, deep passion.  do we both have to use the same build platform?
20:58 < mcallan> put your build scripts under votorola/b/c/.  don't commit them till they're finished.  then i'll move mine under b/m/.  to each his own
21:40 < conseo> ok. i don't like ant either, in fact i don't know it and i don't like xml configs. the problem i see is that the build system is the kind of standard way to access the source code of a project
21:40 < conseo> i think it makes some sense for cooperation, not as a good technology in itself
21:44 < conseo> puuh, no idea. you are the boss, boss :-) we can split, but i would feel better if you would agree to use it as well, if it works. this doesn't seem to be the case, so i have to think about adding it to your perl scripts
21:46 < mcallan> i'll use it if it's really better, no worries.  i would just rather focus on the beta right now, so that's why i ask you to leave me out temporarily...
21:47 < mcallan> ... but if you do use the b/ scripts (temporarily), just ask if you need help
21:50 < conseo> ok. i won't bother you unless necessary
21:51 < conseo> i have to look into this first myself
21:56 < mcallan> (maybe u want to look at maven, too)
--- Log closed Fri Aug 17 00:00:39 2012