--- Log opened Wed Mar 28 00:00:41 2012
09:09 < conseo> mcallan: ping
20:33 < mcallan> conseo: pong
20:45 < conseo> mcallan: the algorithm doesn't work in steps timely, it rather compiles the list from the archive (in a tree like structure) and meanwhile serializes the jobs out in the scheduler
20:45 < conseo> the jobs themselves harvest a lower level of the tree (each job for one node)
20:45 < conseo> and so on
20:46 < conseo> how you do this doesn't matter, all you do is ensure that branches of the tree which are close, are stored by url (or something else), and are therefore not reharvested
20:47 < conseo> since it can be any node, once the top level nodes are complete, only one small branch reaching into the present is updated on "backwardjobs"
20:48 < conseo> this can tweaked for optimization of course, only fetch the lowest list for the present (current month list for pipermail)
20:49 < conseo> mcallan: is this what you expected. logically 1) compile the tree 2) run jobs for leafes and schedule new jobs incrementally in the future 3) add jobs at the end of each list of fetch jobs to mark them finished
20:49 < conseo> so this job doesn't fetch it only stores the completion of the top level url
20:50 < conseo> never mind, i am talking too much
20:51 < conseo> s/close/closed
20:51 < conseo> and s/can tweaked/can be tweaked
20:51 < mcallan> sorry to be always asking for explanation, but yes, something like that 123 is what i need.  can you write it up?  putting it in your source will make it easier to understand
20:52 < mcallan> then i could begin to understand the problem you are talking about in the list
20:52 < conseo> sure. will do. once it runs i'll ping you to pull 8-)
20:52 < conseo> hmm ok
20:52 < mcallan> i don't need to see the source, i only need to see the 123
20:53 < conseo> ok
20:53 < mcallan> (ideally you discuss design *before* you code, tho that's not always possible)
20:53 < conseo> wasn't that clarifying or which point should is still wobbly?
20:53 < conseo> i do, i only play a little bit with it, because i am not as experienced and i like it
20:54 < mcallan> you probable need a picture of a tree (very simple), and then you refer to from within you 123
20:54 < conseo> i will only implement it once you agree
20:54 < conseo> yes, that was my thought too. i'll do that then
20:55 < mcallan> i am happy with whatever order you choose :-), but i cannot discuss the design with u till i see a sketch (that's all i meant)
20:56 < conseo> how is your work going?
20:56 < conseo> sure
20:56 < conseo> communication is paramount and specification is the substrate of it
20:56 < conseo> i wish i had a deeper understanding of what you do :-) watching progress is extremely motivating imho
20:58 < conseo> have you seen it: microsoft has apache 2.0ed parts of asp.net and nokia has reannounced meego gnu/linux software, despite their current windows 7 phone only road :-)
20:59 < conseo> oracle also got more silent over the google case, looks like open source is pushing hard now...
21:01 < conseo> never mind, i am in a talking mood. i'll shut up now :-)
21:01 < mcallan> (s'ok) sounds like good news.  myself, i am just going to look at modifying gwt now, that's my only obstacle.  if its the window closing hooks in here (unload listencers) that are defeating the bfcache, then it might be easy to fix: http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/source/browse/trunk/user/src/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/RootPanel.java
21:07 < conseo> souds good. have you been involved in the patch?
21:08 < mcallan> that "patch" is just the tip of the rev history.  i meant only to point you to the source, tho the actual listener attachment is an associated impl class...
21:11 < mcallan> ... anyway i'll look into it now
21:23 < conseo> ok
22:32 < conseo> what does AttachDetachException.Command effect? that the state is not unloaded prematurely?
22:44 < mcallan> not sure, looks like clean up code in event of exceptions.
23:28 < mcallan> looks like google intends this to eventually replace gwt: http://www.dartlang.org/
--- Log closed Thu Mar 29 00:00:57 2012