--- Log opened Thu Jan 26 00:00:02 2012
15:43 < conseo> mcallan: what is your status?
15:43 < conseo> something blocking you?
15:44 < conseo> i am blocked by the lack of feedback why my new mockups don't cut it. the old ones were flawed in their design while the new ones layout properly imo. i hope your mockups help to clarify
15:44 < conseo> i am also worried by "not sure yet about user context, but i'll put something in my toolbar drawings for that"
15:45 < conseo> we need the photos for the mini-beta imo, as they are a large attractor and while they might not fit in crossforum, they should do no harm in the difference bridge
15:47 < conseo> n00bs react very differently when a foto is in there, and i think for good reasons. i know you don't see the problem here, but I think the difficulty of understanding the interface is the main reason for the lack of alpha-users. if we can save the profile picture on the wiki, it should be easy to query it once for difference generation, so while you call it doodals... i think it is worth the effort to illustrate the
15:47 < conseo>  interface
15:49 < conseo> (just about this issue, because it sounds like you only want to have that in info in the xf toolbar and then you drop fotos/avatars again)
15:53 < conseo> if this upsets you again or you think i am unfocused, well, leave it out, but for the sake of attraction i would add the code to fetch the foto from the wiki
15:54 < conseo> also are you occupied with coding atm. or is there some discussion going on that i am missing? the lists seem pretty quiet to me
20:22 < mcallan> i'm currently designing the XF toolbar, beginning with the difference bridge
20:24 < mcallan> that means i need a layout for the difference, and so i've been looking at your mockups, and thinking about what to do
20:24 < mcallan> conseo: that's why i've been a little slow responding, but i hope to have mockups any day now, maybe friday
20:32 < mcallan> yesterday i decided to stop looking at the side-by-side layout of the bridge.  even if it posed no design problems, it would still delay the release of higher priority improvements.  we have to work with the existing code where possible, so that's what i'm designing now
20:37 < conseo> hmmm, ok
20:38 < conseo> mcallan: but if the difference concept is too difficult to understand for new users, then we still have the alpha user problem imho
20:38 < conseo> mcallan: the bridge is core in your plan because it is in the center of the process
20:41 < conseo> even the toolbar is secondary to patching differences
20:43 < conseo> it is difficult to judge what your current changes are, so i wait for the mockups :-)
20:58 < mcallan> nobody has been confused by the vertical layout, or nobody i spoke to.  all the other items are problematic for users, so that's why i give them a higher priority
21:03 < mcallan> the horizontal view is important to me, because it gave me the idea of putting discussion in the bridge and toolbar as an attractor.  i'm not sure that's a high priority in terms of usability, but it's interesting to chase the idea down, and it won't delay the coding more than a few days
21:07 < conseo> ok
21:22 < mcallan> i tried to put the discussion idea in visual form, but my first attempt failed: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/diff/_/DiffBridgeB2.png
21:23 < mcallan> that's when i decided i had better retreat back to the vertical layout, and solve the problem *there* first.  because we have to live with the vertical layout, at least for a while
21:24 < mcallan> i think i solved it.  i just have to draw it tonight
21:37 < conseo> hmm ok, indeed i do not understand your mocked up idea :-D
22:16 < conseo> puuh last math proof done. not really perfect, but well...
22:16 < conseo> time to go to bed
22:16 < conseo> mcallan: n8
22:29 < mcallan> n8 c
--- Log closed Fri Jan 27 00:00:17 2012