--- Log opened Mon Jan 09 00:00:58 2012
05:57 < mcallan> Schnittmenge, serapath1: does this diagram compare the norm of the ideal speech situation with the fact of the modern political party?  does it recommend a technical solution to correct the fact and align it with the norm?
05:57 < mcallan> http://de.consenser.org/files/Semantic%20of%20ideal%20speech%20situation-11-12-21.pdf
05:58 < Schnittmenge> mcallan: hello
05:58 < mcallan> hello
05:59 < Schnittmenge> The idea is to create a parallel system to the exiting political system
05:59 < Schnittmenge> Yes that is the object:
05:59 < Schnittmenge> technical solution to reduce the diff between norm an reality
06:00 < mcallan> the solution is consenser?
06:00 < Schnittmenge> no
06:00 < mcallan> what is consenser?
06:00 < Schnittmenge> the up-grade of consenser
06:00 < mcallan> ah
06:01 < Schnittmenge> consenser.org
06:01 < Schnittmenge> http://www. consenser.org
06:01 < Schnittmenge> http://www.consenser.org
06:01 < Schnittmenge> now
06:02 < Schnittmenge> the idea is to decentralize the consenser concept
06:02 < Schnittmenge> my focus is on the power problem
06:02 < mcallan> no german, unfortunately <looking again at diagram>
06:03 < mcallan> what is the power problem?
06:03 < Schnittmenge> the map is the best way to understand the concept
06:03 < Schnittmenge> what I look for the map
06:04 < mcallan> map = pdf diagram?
06:04 < Schnittmenge> yes
06:04 < Schnittmenge> Point Free of domination (Fre)
06:05 < mcallan> P3-Fre... i see...
06:05 < Schnittmenge> I do not know if that is the right English term
06:06 < mcallan> i think i understand, the outcome must not be swayed by power...
06:06 < mcallan> ... Habermas would say that only the better "argument" should decide the outcome
06:06 < mcallan> power = force or threat of force
06:07 < Schnittmenge> yes
06:07 < mcallan> right, and there is no place for power in the ideal speech situation
06:07 < Schnittmenge> yes
06:08 < Schnittmenge> there is no place for power
06:08 < mcallan> i care very much about this problem, too.  what is your solution?
06:09 < Schnittmenge> See S-P3-Fre
06:09 < mcallan> <looking>
06:10 < Schnittmenge> Aim/ is (with condenser-logic)/ solutions
06:11 < mcallan> at bottom, consenser-logic...
06:12 < mcallan> Schnittmenge: my name is Michael, what's your's
06:12 < Schnittmenge> Daniel
06:12 < Schnittmenge> Nice to meet you :-)
06:13 < mcallan> hi daniel, nice to meet you, too :-)
06:13 < Schnittmenge> Ami is the first branch
06:13 < Schnittmenge> aim is the first branch
06:13 < mcallan> <looking>
06:13 < Schnittmenge> than is (consenser-logic)
06:14 < Schnittmenge> than solutions
06:14 < Schnittmenge> than S-P3-Fre
06:16 < mcallan> ah, right (sorry)
06:16 < mcallan> i want to understand what *thing* is distributed, or decentralized in the solution
06:17 < mcallan> (and ofc, how that gets rid of power)
06:17 < Schnittmenge> see branch technical approach
06:17 < Schnittmenge> than semantic
06:17 < Schnittmenge> Two ways
06:18 < Schnittmenge> RDFa und poor RDFa
06:18 < mcallan> <found it>
06:19 < mcallan> could we speak by skype sometime?
06:19 < Schnittmenge> yes
06:20 < Schnittmenge> how can I find you?
06:20 < mcallan> cool, i am michael_c_allan
06:20 < mcallan> i will turn on my skype box...
06:20 < Schnittmenge> I am going to contact now
06:21 < mcallan> i have to run skype on windoze, so it takes 5 minutes to boot :-)
06:21 < Schnittmenge> Cody Allan Micheal Price?
06:22 < Schnittmenge> codyprice?
06:23 < Schnittmenge> there a more search results
06:23 < mcallan> no
06:23 < Schnittmenge> mh
06:23 < mcallan> i'm the guy in toronto...
06:23 < mcallan> email mike@zelea.com
06:23 < Schnittmenge> I found you
06:24 < Schnittmenge> phone me when you want
06:26 < mcallan> ok, will ring u now
06:46 < mcallan> http://wiki.occupy.net/wiki/Open_Voting_Network
08:44 < mcallan> Schnittmenge: hey daniel, this address will bypass my spam filter: mike+dated+1326375813.1b9db2@havoc.zelea.com
10:04 < Schnittmenge> Thank you for the e-mail. I am going to invite you to spreed "UML"
10:22 < mcallan> thanks daniel.  cannot run on this computer, because it needs flash.  i will try on slower windoze, it might be ok
10:43 < mcallan> Schnittmenge: i'm afraid it uses too much cpu.  i doubt i can run it while skype is running
10:47 < Schnittmenge> and without skype?
10:48 < Schnittmenge> we can communicate through spreed
10:49 < mcallan> ok. i'll relaunch, and try...
10:58 < mcallan> Schnittmenge: tried to chat on skype over there, but u are offline... spreed says i am in "lobby" and have to wait till meeting starts
10:59 < Schnittmenge> You have to use the direct link o
10:59 < Schnittmenge> use you e-mail with your "passwort"
11:00 < Schnittmenge> in order to look
11:00 < Schnittmenge> in
11:01 < mcallan> <looking for direct link o>
11:02 < Schnittmenge> wait
11:02 < Schnittmenge> I gave you the rights
11:02 < Schnittmenge>  you are in now
11:02 < Schnittmenge> do you con hear me?
11:04 < Schnittmenge> mcallan: your are in
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