--- Log opened Thu Dec 29 00:00:00 2011
04:28 < conseo> meant to say "we would draw these circlets above votespace only in nodes, where the accounts of this sac are defined"
06:59 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: ping when u r back please :-D
10:29 < conseo> mcallan: don't worry, I have to rethink it, the votespace solution is confusing as well
11:22 < serapath1> nice picture
15:05 < mcallan> conseo: yes, i like that visual.  i always liked the 1c bubbles.  but we still need tracks for the rac, because the #1 purpose is to show progress with an attractor that can be embedded in any web page
15:07 < conseo> right, but we could also see that as a serialization of votespace (read a substitute) on foreign sites. if we have almost all information shown directly in votespace than at least replicating them in the segments feels like a weakness
15:07 < conseo> the interface is in its simplicity already demanding
15:13 < mcallan> what do you mean by foreign sites?
15:16 < conseo> sites without votespace
15:16 < conseo> reload the mockup and see what i mean
15:20 < conseo> or maybe not, i am confused :-)
15:21 < conseo> mcallan: the tracks seem like a complicate replication of votespace and therefore mystifying the whole concept on the one hand
15:22 < conseo> on the other hand they might actually be more plausible when used combined with votespace on browsing (exploring)
15:22 < mcallan> conseo: you try to do too much, and it confuses me too.  all that's required (imho) is what i suggested: single progress track above each of the three mockups, with no fancy details.  then we look at it and talk about it.  maybe it's enough by itself, maybe not
15:23 < conseo> but we concluded last time that we need a secondary track, because the segments might be too small for the target
15:24 < conseo> we could just mark them though
15:25 < conseo> mcallan: ok, i don't want to confuse you, i'll ping you when i have a proposal
15:27 < mcallan> ok, but i think you misunderstand.  there is no need for proposals.  you might already be finished.  if there are no problems with the single track, then why propose solutions?
15:29 < mcallan> (you need to hide the 1-feed/2-feed layers in the svg, and maybe show 2-back/3-back)
15:33 < conseo> mcallan: you can reload the mockup. it will be the same just depending on the next downward account definition for sac,
15:37 < mcallan> too complicated.  to simplify things, i would get rid of the "Votes".  toolbar is not being used yet, so it's distracting
15:38 < mcallan> it's up to you, but i would also temporarily go back to plain jane track, without any fancy decoration.  nothing but segmented arrows, and the target bar - only the bare essentials.  the idea is to show what's 100% decided upon as *strong*. with *no* distractions
15:39 < mcallan> maybe it's just me, i don't know...
15:39 < mcallan> once i reached the stage you're at, wild horses couldn't stop me from *showing* it, and pausing for reflection
15:40 < conseo> ok
--- Log closed Fri Dec 30 00:00:16 2011