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01:14 -!- You're now known as mcallan
01:20 < mcallan> conseo: ok, i'll read lists shortly
01:33 < mcallan> you missed my point.  without vote mirroring, you and i are going to lose our jobs.  we'll have to go hat in hand to the wealthy and powerful, and beg for permission to work our trade for a pittance
01:34 < mcallan> can latin american labour cooperatives help us with this?  i don't know.  but if you think so, please get in touch with them
01:34 < mcallan> i'm pretty sure occupy can help us.  you make it sound as though it has specific goals, like shoring up the social welfare state.  it has no such goals
01:35 < mcallan> occupy is just a bunch of people concerned about inequality and other injustices.  they have no agenda and no goals, nothing but "babbling incoherence".  but as michael prell here says, "it doesn’t matter that they don’t make sense. What matters is they are tapping into a gut-level instinct that is alive, or lying dormant, in almost every human being. And, when they unleash the power of standing up for the powerless against the powerful - David vs. Goliath - the repercussions can ripple throughout our society for decades." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/business/occupy-wall-street-has-plenty-of-potential.html
01:37 < mcallan> we can help them with those repercussions, even as they help us to keep our *own* workplace free
01:42 < mcallan> we're not going to sit back and let a bunch of spoiled rich kids and silicon valley investors take over the technology we put so much effort into developing, and sell it to facebook or some other media monstrosity for a profit
01:51 < mcallan> i have nothing against labour.  my mom raised two kids working in a factory in hamilton, until the recession in the early 80's wiped out manufacturing in canada, and destroyed my home town to boot.  the place looks like detroit or flint michigan, today
01:55 < mcallan> frankly, i'm fighting for my own survival, and my own freedom
01:57 < mcallan> but i know that freedom depends on equality *in equal opportunity*, and so this is my (i would say our) work
03:26 < mcallan> conseo: please ping me, i have Q about your post to v list.  let's skype if you have 5 min, i need to understand the gist of what you are proposing, or asking.
14:35 < conseo> mcallan: re
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