--- Log opened Sat Oct 15 00:00:08 2011 08:32 < conseo> mcallan: will there be ever a way to share a video with you? 09:46 < conseo> i wanted to show you the gtk3 html5 rendering example of libreoffice. pretty impressive for a browser ui 11:50 < conseo> mcallan: a pity that we miss again 11:51 < conseo> mcallan: if i make the segments clickable then i could also activate other trackstacks from there 13:52 < mcallan> conseo: yes, and i will try to answer in the v list today 14:31 < conseo> ok 15:13 < conseo> mcallan: will you answer to Nillus? 15:42 < mcallan> conseo: just did, just for my own part tho 15:42 < conseo> ok 16:49 < conseo> mcallan: ping 16:52 < conseo> mcallan: you should have told which one our project is and that we are heading for a 10.000 users alpha 16:53 < conseo> they won't investigate further if you have nothing for them to offer 17:17 < mcallan> conseo: not my style anymore, i don't sell stuff 17:18 < conseo> we don't sell anything, we want to create this 17:18 < mcallan> we are doing so 17:19 < conseo> but if we don't tell people that we are up to this, they won't see any value in our information imo 17:22 < conseo> sry, if i have offensed you. didn't mean to 17:24 < mcallan> you did not offend me, and i mean no offense to you! i speak my mind. i have the opposite view about info. if we're selling our own interests, then whatever we say has less value 17:24 < mcallan> we should do our jobs, and that is all. if we beg for attention, then it marks us as losers 17:26 < mcallan> this is my own view. i speak only for myself, never for the project 17:26 < mcallan> that's another reason why i don't mention v 17:51 < conseo> hmm, but you are the lead the developer and besides me (who is not able to do same quality stuff yet) there is no driving force behing v. this is not against thomas, but the developer decides after all 17:52 < conseo> i think both thomas and me want you to lead a bit on the technical side 17:52 < conseo> and matter of fact is that we are aiming for 10.000 users. this is not a promise, but a goal we are working for 17:52 < conseo> i don't think that this is messy business-like behaviour 17:53 < conseo> i am ok if you point out our current situation, but if i would read the mail then i would think ok, these guys have little to offer but some playground 17:54 < conseo> i know you are pretty individualistic, it is just that by doing a voteserver project you already lead me and thomas in the technical domain 17:55 < conseo> this is why i have proposed to govern the technical process by the tools, that way one can see where the labour goes and why. and anybody can join... 18:14 < conseo> would you help them now, if they would give you alpha users 18:14 < conseo> ? 18:22 < mcallan> conseo: i would help, though my time is restricted for a while, because theory needs work 18:23 < mcallan> i mentioned theory to them, which is also helpful if they are wise 18:25 < mcallan> if i lead atm, then it's by exploring theory that nobody else is exploring 18:26 < mcallan> to lead is to be out in front, in time or space. nothing else 18:26 < mcallan> i do not ask anyone to follow 18:27 < mcallan> (well not directly, anway ;) 18:35 < conseo> if we don't offer them to help on the tooling now, they will create the tooling themselves and look elsewhere 19:03 < mcallan> conseo: you misunderstant my reasons for the guepo plan. i am not afraid of rival projects, and i will join any project that does a better job 19:03 < mcallan> it's not a race that can be won by force - who gets there first, or whatever 19:04 < mcallan> it can only be won by doing the right thing 19:04 < mcallan> so far, we're doing the right thing, afaik 19:21 < mcallan> conseo: for our own use of the tools, you must find something we disagree about. our tools are of no use if everybody is already in agreement what to do. i asked you about this in the list, but somehow you didn't understand, or you didn't take it as a question. you keep repeating that we should use the tools ourselves, and i keep asking how exactly? 19:24 < mcallan> if you don't understand a point my friend, just say so 19:24 < mcallan> it's cool to ask q's 20:16 < conseo> sure. i am off for today. cu soon 20:28 < mcallan> cu c --- Log closed Sun Oct 16 00:00:24 2011