--- Log opened Sat Oct 15 00:00:08 2011
08:32 < conseo> mcallan: will there be ever a way to share a video with you?
09:46 < conseo> i wanted to show you the gtk3 html5 rendering example of libreoffice. pretty impressive for a browser ui
11:50 < conseo> mcallan: a pity that we miss again
11:51 < conseo> mcallan: if i make the segments clickable then i could also activate other trackstacks from there
13:52 < mcallan> conseo: yes, and i will try to answer in the v list today
14:31 < conseo> ok
15:13 < conseo> mcallan: will you answer to Nillus?
15:42 < mcallan> conseo: just did, just for my own part tho
15:42 < conseo> ok
16:49 < conseo> mcallan: ping
16:52 < conseo> mcallan: you should have told which one our project is and that we are heading for a 10.000 users alpha
16:53 < conseo> they won't investigate further if you have nothing for them to offer
17:17 < mcallan> conseo: not my style anymore, i don't sell stuff
17:18 < conseo> we don't sell anything, we want to create this
17:18 < mcallan> we are doing so
17:19 < conseo> but if we don't tell people that we are up to this, they won't see any value in our information imo
17:22 < conseo> sry, if i have offensed you. didn't mean to
17:24 < mcallan> you did not offend me, and i mean no offense to you!  i speak my mind.  i have the opposite view about info.  if we're selling our own interests, then whatever we say has less value
17:24 < mcallan> we should do our jobs, and that is all.  if we beg for attention, then it marks us as losers
17:26 < mcallan> this is my own view.  i speak only for myself, never for the project
17:26 < mcallan> that's another reason why i don't mention v
17:51 < conseo> hmm, but you are the lead the developer and besides me (who is not able to do same quality stuff yet) there is no driving force behing v. this is not against thomas, but the developer decides after all
17:52 < conseo> i think both thomas and me want you to lead a bit on the technical side
17:52 < conseo> and matter of fact is that we are aiming for 10.000 users. this is not a promise, but a goal we are working for
17:52 < conseo> i don't think that this is messy business-like behaviour
17:53 < conseo> i am ok if you point out our current situation, but if i would read the mail then i would think ok, these guys have little to offer but some playground
17:54 < conseo> i know you are pretty individualistic, it is just that by doing a voteserver project you already lead me and thomas in the technical domain
17:55 < conseo> this is why i have proposed to govern the technical process by the tools, that way one can see where the labour goes and why. and anybody can join...
18:14 < conseo> would you help them now, if they would give you alpha users
18:14 < conseo> ?
18:22 < mcallan> conseo: i would help, though my time is restricted for a while, because theory needs work
18:23 < mcallan> i mentioned theory to them, which is also helpful if they are wise
18:25 < mcallan> if i lead atm, then it's by exploring theory that nobody else is exploring
18:26 < mcallan> to lead is to be out in front, in time or space.  nothing else
18:26 < mcallan> i do not ask anyone to follow
18:27 < mcallan> (well not directly, anway ;)
18:35 < conseo> if we don't offer them to help on the tooling now, they will create the tooling themselves and look elsewhere
19:03 < mcallan> conseo: you misunderstant my reasons for the guepo plan.  i am not afraid of rival projects, and i will join any project that does a better job
19:03 < mcallan> it's not a race that can be won by force - who gets there first, or whatever
19:04 < mcallan> it can only be won by doing the right thing
19:04 < mcallan> so far, we're doing the right thing, afaik
19:21 < mcallan> conseo: for our own use of the tools, you must find something we disagree about.  our tools are of no use if everybody is already in agreement what to do.  i asked you about this in the list, but somehow you didn't understand, or you didn't take it as a question.  you keep repeating that we should use the tools ourselves, and i keep asking how exactly?
19:24 < mcallan> if you don't understand a point my friend, just say so
19:24 < mcallan> it's cool to ask q's
20:16 < conseo> sure. i am off for today. cu soon
20:28 < mcallan> cu c
--- Log closed Sun Oct 16 00:00:24 2011