--- Log opened Mon Oct 03 00:00:58 2011
03:44 < thomasvonderelbe> conseo: Hey old friend! Yes, I like the mockups a lot!! They are beautiful!
03:45 < thomasvonderelbe> I hope we can have a chat over skype soon!?
10:14 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: my sleep phase is a bit shifted
10:14 < conseo> just got up
10:14 < conseo> i will be back at 18:00 or so
10:16 < conseo> http://digitalconsumption.com/forum/Visiglyphs-for-IP-visualisation they call it visiglyphs. i think little is won with avatars like that
16:05 < mcallan> conseo: myself, i don't think the segments need to be identified, either by mnemonics *or* avatars.  they will be beautiful just as plain segments, and (crucially) more interesting to explore!
16:11 < mcallan> the user will say, "hmmm i wonder what those are..."
16:12 < mcallan> then run over them with her mouse, et voila!
16:14 < mcallan> and when her mouse passes over a user node in votespace, et voila aussi!
16:15 < mcallan> tactile
18:07 < conseo> mcallan: ok. what about this: http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2011-June/000993.html?
18:07 < conseo> should we still draft plans for development which we then support by our labour?
18:17 < mcallan> wow, i forgot about that post.  it didn't get much interest at the time...
18:18 < mcallan> yes, i'm ocmitted to working with the tools in any serious way, and that's serious, but...
18:19 < mcallan> it need at least 3 core alpha users.  count me in, if you are serious
18:22 < mcallan> instead of shoving baby food at baby, we eat it ourselves, eh?
18:23 < conseo> that is just my spirit towards it, very cool :-D
18:23 < mcallan> ok, you lead, i follow
18:23 < conseo> i have been thinking a bit about avatars still
18:23 < conseo> ok
18:24 < conseo> i know it is not major, but if we are serious about cross forum tracking, than an identifier would help
18:24 < conseo> esp. if you work with the tools a lot
18:24 < conseo> we don't have space to allow avatars though and we shouldn't do it in the ui
18:24 < conseo> it will clutter everything
18:25 < conseo> also these visiglyphs gain us nothing
18:26 < conseo> i thought we might allow more colors in the mnemonics
18:26 < mcallan> for me, i can't begin to talk about it.  feels like solution looking for problems.  better to point to problem
18:26 < conseo> you got skype?
18:26 < mcallan> yep, i'll turn it on...
18:26 < conseo> cool
18:27 < conseo> i'll ping you when i am ready
18:27 < mcallan> ok
18:34 < conseo> http;//whiletaker.homeip.net/mockups/colourful-mnemonic.png
18:34 < mcallan> conseo, thomasvonderelbe: slow democracy: http://lists.thataway.org/scripts/wa-THATAWAY.exe?A2=ind1110A&L=NCDD-DISCUSSION&T=0&F=&S=&X=56D9AF28FD416DFE7C&Y=mike%40zelea.com&P=889
18:35 < conseo> mcallan: just to show you what i thought about
18:35 < conseo> reading and ready...
19:42 < conseo> mcallan: is harnest an english verb?
20:54 < conseo> mcallan: if you think text makes the progress bar too high, then i should also show the sum and target numbers in the left caption, right?
21:05 < mcallan> conseo: i would ask others that q, too (though your mockups) and maybe i should wait before trying to answer...
21:06 < conseo> ok
21:06 < mcallan> because next best thing to exploring design solutions, is to hear news from the explorer :-)
21:07 < mcallan> "harnest" is not a word i know
21:07 < mcallan> harness maybe, and it is both verb and noun
21:08 < mcallan> oh, you meant harvest?  both v and n, again
21:13 < conseo> no, harness
21:13 < conseo> ok
21:40 < conseo> mcallan: but in xf only one trackstack can be shown at a selection right? you said sth. that they can show progress as well, so you suppose several trackstacks for one resource?
21:57 < mcallan> several tracks, one stack of tracks: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/diff/ResourcesView.html
21:58 < mcallan> see how multiple tracks stack up?
22:01 < mcallan> see also the stack of 2 tracks i proposed for crossforum extent accounts: http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2011-June/000986.html
22:01 < mcallan> thomasvonderelbe: he never reads what i write ;-)
22:02 < mcallan> when i was a young man, nobody listened to me.  now that i'm old and bald and fat, still nobody listens to me
22:03 < mcallan> (my teacher used to say that)
22:41 < conseo> i do read it. i hate that stigma and you know that this is the problem we are working on... :-p
22:43 < conseo> i just can't imagine what i would show in several of them about the same resources
22:43 < conseo> it would be different type of progress bars then
22:43 < conseo> possible, but yet not clear to me why this is necessary *now*
22:44 < conseo> maybe i lack ui fantasy... :-)
22:44 < conseo> s/about the same resources/about the same resource
22:45 < mcallan> (i was only joking, my friend)
22:45 < mcallan> you read what i suggested in list, but maybe didn't understand?
22:49 < mcallan> it's cool to ask q's if you don't understand
22:49 < mcallan> and maybe it's rare to understand anything without asking q's
22:53 < conseo> i don't know how to say what it is. maybe i am just still too lazy :-)
22:54 < conseo> i have read these mails, but i quickly forget and now i can't remember them. i should try to search my mails for relevant terms first :-/
22:57 < conseo> i know you have posted some stuff. but i still can't really tell why you have ordered them there and why they are called track stacks. they are stacked, they track resources, so yes that makes sense. but why have you chosen a stack in the first place?
22:57 < conseo> we only have ever one resource selected. just wondering...
22:57 < conseo> we could do more at the same time, but why?
22:58 < mcallan> did you follow the url above (stack of 2 tracks i proposed for crossforum extent accounts)
22:59 < mcallan> 1:N resource account:tracks
23:00 < mcallan> multiple views of progress are possible
23:00 < mcallan> for a *single* account
23:00 < conseo> ok
23:01 < mcallan> more design space for you to explore :-)
23:02 < mcallan> so, again about my post to V list, 3 tracks:
23:02 < mcallan> 1. last month's progress
23:02 < mcallan> 2. last week's progress
23:02 < mcallan> 3. current progress
23:03 < mcallan> (but it was just a suggestion, for you to think about)
23:07 < conseo> ok
23:58 < conseo> mcallan: posted to the list
--- Log closed Tue Oct 04 00:00:14 2011