--- Log opened Sat Sep 24 00:00:02 2011
06:24 < mcallan> conseo: cannot find your text, not in your home dir
07:17 < conseo> mcallan: i have deleted it. i am not yet comfortable with it and i wasn't able to get it ready yesterday
07:17 < conseo> mcallan: somewhat awake, i will go through my daily startup routine and be back in 20 mins or so
07:27 < mcallan> ok
08:10 < conseo> re
08:12 < mcallan> good morning!
08:15 < conseo> mcallan: :-D
08:16 < conseo> it is already 2 p.m. here and it is wonderful september weather
08:17 < mcallan> well, you just got up
08:17 < conseo> i'll try to finish my draft, upload it to you, and after you read we skype?
08:17 < mcallan> ok
08:38 < conseo> mcallan: /home/c/ose-plan.txt (just a rough version, but you should get an idea) they have asked me in a formalized mail why i donate and this might be a chance to get heard. they also told me on #opensourceecology to draft a proposal in their wiki so it will go here: http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/User:Conseo
08:39 < conseo> i hope i can create twin pages both in our wiki and theirs (or if you have a better idea, tell me)
08:52 < mcallan> sorry btw, yesterday my net went down just before u went to the university.
08:53 < mcallan> i was worried you left because u got tired of waiting for me
08:54 < mcallan> ok reading...
08:55 < conseo> (no, i had to go and fetch my tram)
08:56 < mcallan> ok, u don't use newlines
08:56 < mcallan> i put a copy in ~/tmp
08:58 < mcallan> i would say immediately what you want to say - what matters most - before explaining history/rationale
08:58 < mcallan> talk about them, not you
09:00 < mcallan> don't explain what votorola is, only explain why they (specifically) should be interested, in reference only to what they care about immediately, concretely
09:01 < conseo> ok
09:02 < mcallan> this is about what you care about, and you (like me) make the mistake of assuming too much sympathy from others
09:03 < mcallan> they are bastards... that way
09:03 < conseo> i know, this was their question. i tried to answer that as well: Thanks so much for subscribing. How did you find out about us, and what would you like to see come out of our work?
09:03 < conseo> my fault, i should keep it short and answer this question in a mail with pointing to the wiki article (without my personal stuff)
09:04 < mcallan> it helps me sometimg to answer the q (i love this strategy) as a single sentence
09:06 < mcallan> and c, anyone who is not radical left wing, will not listen to you in these terms - they will shut their ears
09:07 < conseo> i haven't even used a lot of terminology (but what they do is anti-capitalistic, they just don't propagate that, but rather stick to the pracitical benefits of their approach). they know that they do sth. revolutionary
09:07 < conseo> but ok
09:07 < conseo> i'll try to focus on a common plan
09:08 < mcallan> i understand, they care about the same things...
09:08 < conseo> can i properly split that between our and their wiki in a way which already draws some attention?
09:08 < mcallan> ... but they use different words
09:08 < conseo> yes ok
09:08 < conseo> puuh how do you say alienated in a different way :-p
09:09 < mcallan> it's those words that do you harm, because people use them for other (not constructive)  purposes
09:09 < mcallan> offended, isolated...
09:09 < mcallan> estranged
09:09 < mcallan> pissed off ;-)
09:09 < conseo> well, yes and no, they are also the terminology of an officially hated minority (anti-capitalistic left-wing). but the terminology is theoretically founded and very well developed
09:09 < conseo> LOL
09:10 < mcallan> but let's skype after i finish reading...
09:10 < conseo> ok
09:10 < mcallan> i skim...
09:11 < mcallan> ok, i turn on the skype box
09:11 < conseo> http://dict.leo.org/?search=skim (?)
09:14 < mcallan> i explain on the hooter (phone, among other things)
09:16 < conseo> ok
09:16 < conseo> yes, hehe
--- Log closed Sun Sep 25 00:00:18 2011