--- Log opened Sat Sep 17 00:00:31 2011
08:41 < conseo> mcallan: when you say that we are in prototyping phase (like to Francis), you could imo point out that this just because we need people to deploy our software to get the prototyping right
08:42 < conseo> otherwise one might get the impression, that it is better to wait for some finished prototype state later
16:57 < mcallan> conseo: my thinking was, it would be better for him to wait unless he is prepared to participate in prototype dev.  but overall, i expect him to lead and not be swayed unduly by what i say.  leadership on the ground is what we lack.  (i haven't read his response yet)
16:57 < conseo> ok, me neither, last i read was your mail. you just sound so careful that i would think that votorola is not ready
16:58 < conseo> mcallan: which is only half of the truth
16:58 < conseo> it is not ready because no users take leadership
16:58 < mcallan> it's ok to correct me, or add to what i say
16:58 < conseo> (maybe we waight for alphausers who are alpha enough to lead though
16:58 < conseo> )
16:58 < conseo> ok
16:59 < conseo> i didn't think it was worth a mail and i might not describe your position, so i am rather careful to criticize you on list, if i haven't talked to you before a bit
17:00 < conseo> and you are ok with criticism or i don't see a direct way of understanding
17:00 < mcallan> definitely ok.  as you say, there is no other way to communicate in practical affairs
17:01 < conseo> but after all every month or two sbd. comes along thinking about applying e-dem somewhere, but most of them lack the patience to get sth. real started, so maybe it is best to be honest from the start
17:01 < conseo> and tell them it is still prototyping
17:02 < mcallan> yes, if we don't a mover and shaker now, we'll find one later...
17:02 < mcallan> all our des/dev is aimed at that
17:04 < mcallan> sorry, i meant "if we don't *find* a mover and shaker now...", meaning practical leadership on ground
17:15 < conseo> sure
17:16 < conseo> although, the earlier the better, but s/he needs to be serious
17:28 < conseo> (well meaningless chatter, this is almost tautological :-) )
17:29 < conseo> but still you sometimes sound in a vague way so self-critical to me, that it might demotivate people (not sure if you only demotivate the right superficial people)
17:33 < conseo> maybe we can define what exactly we expect from alpha users somewhere (?)
18:07 < conseo> (maybe i get it plainly wrong, i am uncertain and self-critical myself, so i don't have a problem with it, but we might hurt ourselves)
18:31 < mcallan> i don't know.  this is just me.  but in the past, many people (maybe a dozen) have raised our hopes with big plans, and then let us down
18:32 < mcallan> i don't want anyone to say the same of us
19:03 < conseo> ok
19:03 < conseo> mcallan: http://google-web-toolkit.googlecode.com/svn/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/Anchor.html does not allow to remove the href attribute
19:03 < conseo> how do you set it to something "blocked"?
19:04 < conseo> when i set it empty it opens the same page in a different _blank target, which is not what i want
19:04 < conseo> i also don't want it to reload the page ofc.
19:04 < mcallan> what happens if set it null, and/or remove the target attrib?
19:05 < mcallan> if worse comes to worse, you can access the element directly (getElement i think), these widgets can be a pain
19:05 < conseo> i can only set it and setHref( null ) has the same effect as setHref( "" )
19:05 < conseo> ok
--- Log closed Sun Sep 18 00:00:47 2011