--- Log opened Sun Sep 04 00:00:06 2011
00:40 < conseo> mcallan: ok, i have replaced the PushButton with Anchor, was there something else missing?
02:43 < mcallan> i doubt they are interested in vote mirroring, though they might become interested.
02:44 < mcallan> conseo: what issue with toolbar?
02:44 < conseo> http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8080/voff/xf/#c=DV&s=G!p!sandbox
02:45 < conseo> mcallan: it doesn't line up the sections horizontally
02:50 < mcallan> you still using HorizontalPanel?
02:51 < conseo> yep
02:52 < mcallan> HorizontalPanel is probably a div, like i said. try adding the links to the toolbar individually, with no panel
02:53 < conseo> it creates a table
02:53 < conseo> with one row
02:53 < mcallan> table is block layout, and blocks stack one atop the other
02:54 < mcallan> you don't need a table
02:54 < mcallan> you don't (as they say) need nuthin :-)
02:54 < mcallan> just two links
02:55 < conseo> i need to update them though, so i need to access this after i have added it
02:55 < conseo> addFeedTool only adds, i cannot remove the links on update (which i must atm.)
02:55 < conseo> remove and add new link
02:55 < mcallan> re block vs inline layout: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#box-gen
02:57 < mcallan> you can update them, just keep reference to each link you need to update.  but never remove link from toolbar unless diff feed is closing.  just change the href
03:10 < conseo> mcallan: so i need the spool for removeFromParent()?
03:13 < mcallan> that's one way.  see example i gave of DummyFeedV.  do same in DiffFeedV
03:14 < mcallan> take your time c.  please do read what i suggest, because i put serious time into it myself
03:15 < conseo> ok
03:18 < conseo> do you have the feeling that i don't read what you post me?
03:20 < mcallan> well, sometimes.  or maybe you are just thinking out loud
03:20 < conseo> ok
03:20 < mcallan> nothing in email, i can finally get back to coding :-)
03:21 < conseo> :-)
03:21 < conseo> do you think the icons are too large atm.?
03:24 < mcallan> not sure, what do you think?
03:25 < conseo> i think it is ok, otherwise they become hard to recognize
03:26 < conseo> but you have designed the toolbar and vertical space is precious
03:27 < mcallan> maybe leave it for now, and ask users later
03:27 < conseo> +1
03:41 < conseo> fixed: http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8080/voff/xf/#c=DV&s=G!p!prz
03:47 < mcallan> looks better.  the toolbar is too thick now, and clipping the other views below.  i forgot, it's thickness *is* supposed to be limited.  but i can fix that later, by giving it more room
03:50 < conseo> ok
03:55 < mcallan> conseo: but since we are goint to ask users later, simplest thing is to drop to 16 px high icons, which is kind of standard for small icons.  some users will always want small icons, so only question is whether to also offer larger ones later (typically 24 px)
03:57 < mcallan> also maybe remove the blue border (and maybe padding) from the links, because that's not done in a toolbar.  can grep votorola's css for examples of how.
03:57 < conseo> ok
03:58 < conseo> i'll go to sleep
03:58 < conseo> cu later
03:59 < mcallan> ok, n8 c, cu soon
13:16 < conseo> mcallan: i often speak out loud what i think, so i don't do stupid mistakes, when i am new to sth.
13:16 < conseo> yet, i need to be more patient sometimes
13:16 < conseo> but then, if sth. takes me many hours to figure out and it was not necessary at all if i had asked you, then i think i should bug you a bit
13:17 < conseo> i know that this is distracting and sometimes stupid to you, but i am still new to your codebase and computer science, so i make stupid mistakes from time to time
13:19 < conseo> but i know what you mean, i will train my restraint :-)
13:20 < conseo> atm. i am just uncomfortable with my situation. i like to continue to work on the diff feed, but i feel like wasting my precious last month of holidays and haven't got much more familiar with the code base yet
13:20 < conseo> i also want to see the resource stuff, so i have to figure out a way to contribute
13:21 < conseo> can i do sth. on the backend side of the counting engine, to get real data in there?
13:22 < conseo> (btw. you are also the only person to talk about this stuff atm., as without the resource stuff e-dem is not too interesting to me and therefore i don't feel like discussing stuff on the list)
13:29 < mcallan> conseo: hey c, i'll need to understand first what it is you want, but ...
13:30 < mcallan> i mean, what's missing, and what you're seeking, but ...
13:31 < mcallan> i'm just brain dead right now, because it's the end of my day ...
13:31 < mcallan> we need to talk, but we're not in sync.  hmmm...
13:31 < conseo> well, i like the diff feed and i want to keep working on it. i want to go to forums about an issue myself and start discussing there, so i will write scrapers for that as well
13:31 < conseo> sure
13:32 < conseo> but what is necessary is the resource stuff imo, it makes our concept complete and much more attractive
13:32 < mcallan> i know that there is a ton of stuff to do in diff feed.  could put 4 coders in there, but ...
13:33 < conseo> but atm. we don't have discussions, so i don't have a too good feeling for what is necessary
13:33 < conseo> i would like to have more data in there
13:33 < conseo> (and user ofc.)
13:33 < conseo> users
13:33 < mcallan> ... what's important is to work on what you want to work on
13:34 < mcallan> i know you stick to stuff, once you start
13:35 < mcallan> you can work on anything you like, excepting only if it is something i'm super-keen on, in which case we'd have to figure out how to break it into pieces, that's all ...
13:35 < conseo> ok, besides the glitches, is there something you see i can do for the diff feed atm.? (something like controls or ui bits)?
13:36 < mcallan> something on front end, then?
13:36 < conseo> don't know, the difference patching is your concept, and you have thought about it much more than i did, i guess.
13:37 < conseo> i am ok with you leading a bit, i don't feel uncomfortable with it atm. as i want to maximize the outcome of our efforts as well
13:37 < conseo> if i can help you somewhere, i will try my best
13:39 < mcallan> i don't like telling people what to work on ... and i only work solo, never worked any other way ... so i guess that's why i need you to decide what you want to work on
13:39 < mcallan> then i can *suggest*
13:40 < mcallan> suggest what needs doing, in that piece of it
13:41 < mcallan> so i guess it always has to be a fairly big piece, tho not necessarily so big as diff feed
13:44 < mcallan> otherwise, i have to rethink my solo rule
13:44 < conseo> hehe
13:45 < mcallan> tomorrow when i am awake, i will try to think what to do, ok?
13:46 < conseo> benevolent dictator, i bow to you :-D
13:46 < conseo> sure
13:46 < conseo> have a good night, and thx for working on the awesome stuff so far. you are doing great work in my opinion at least
13:46 < mcallan> shucks...
13:48 < conseo> shucks?
13:48 < conseo> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shucks
13:48 < conseo> do you think the stuff is worthless so far?
13:49 < mcallan> lol, no it means something different...
13:49 < mcallan> it
13:49 < mcallan> (sry)
13:50 < mcallan> it's an expression of embarassment, sort of...
13:50 < mcallan> never mind :-) ...
13:50 < mcallan> i'm just brain dead ... that's all :-)
13:52 < conseo> ok
13:52 < conseo> i can find my own stuff if you need me to, but your focus on what to do next is much better than mine
13:52 < conseo> i fear to lose myself in meaningless details
13:52 < conseo> gn8
13:54 < mcallan> ok.  no problem, we'll figure something out
13:55 < mcallan> i spent all night figuring out how to remove xf config from the code, and put it where admin could edit it
13:56 < mcallan> anyway, till 2morrow.  gn8
14:14 < conseo> gn8
--- Log closed Mon Sep 05 00:00:21 2011