--- Log opened Sun Aug 28 00:00:15 2011
17:08 < conseo> mcallan: i am trying to do this: MessageParser( dbuser, new LinkedList<Pattern>(){ add( dps ); } ); where dps is Pattern inside a convenience constructor, how do i do that correctly?
17:09 < conseo> the compiler error does not help
18:46 < mcallan> conseo: i don't know what MessageParser() is here, a call to a constructor?
18:48 < mcallan> you mean: new MessageParser(...);  ?
18:51 < mcallan> this is wrong: new LinkedList<Pattern>(){ add( dps ); }
18:52 < mcallan> maybe you meant: new LinkedList<Pattern>(){ {add( dps );} }
18:52 < mcallan> the inner {} is an initializer
21:20 < conseo> mcallan: ah cool, yes
22:04 < conseo> mcallan: who is friedrich lindenberg?
22:05 < conseo> he is mentioned in the vocount executable
22:11 < mcallan> he's the developer of adhocracy
22:12 < conseo> why is he the author of the bash wrappers for our executables?
22:18 < mcallan> he coded them once, when installing votorola for liquid democracy e.v.
22:19 < mcallan> thomas used to be a member of that org
22:21 < conseo> ok
23:04 < conseo> mcallan: hmm, i am a bit lost in perl build code. my plan is to add my new jar file (for web-harvest) and then i need the MANIFEST-only jar-file to call its main class. should i do this in the build system or should i hand-create that jar and install it?
23:04 < conseo> mcallan: nice that the selector works btw.
23:18 < conseo> hmm, maybe it works
23:24 < conseo> works
23:24 < mcallan> ah good
23:25 < mcallan> so your jar is different than, say, vocount or votrace?
23:25 < conseo> no, it just does not call its main class from votorola but from org.webharvest (.CommandLine)
23:25 < conseo> otherwise it works the same
23:27 < mcallan> so it is not an executable jar?
23:28 < mcallan> you mean it _does_ have a main class, but that class delegates to some other jar
23:29 < mcallan> (cannot hand build, must be automatic)
23:31 < mcallan> probably you only have to put the 3rd party jar under votorola/g somewhere, and then call its main class from you VOHarvester or whatever
23:32 < conseo> everything is fine
23:32 < mcallan> oh, ok
23:32 < conseo> don't let me distract you from the pure awesomeness of the selector :-D
23:33 < mcallan> nonsense, i've been wasting my time in the election methods list
23:33 < conseo> bettermeans has been open-sourced, that is pretty cool, maybe we can bridge them into the resources
23:33 < mcallan> but feeling guilty, and back to coding after lunch
23:34 < conseo> honestly i have also wasted some time and have now my own search engine peer: http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8090
23:34 < mcallan> they are a payment system, as i understand
23:34 < conseo> rather micromanagement for groups
23:35 < mcallan> if there are overlaps.  i did not see any, last i looked, some months ago
23:35 < mcallan> hmm, p2p search.  i hope it catches on
23:37 < mcallan> it's not at all friendly to "votorola" :-)
23:37 < mcallan> (i mean the engine)
23:38 < conseo> the search engine?
23:38 < conseo> where has it put load?
23:38 < mcallan> or engine peer
23:38 < mcallan> http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8090/yacysearch.html?query=votorola&Enter=Search&verify=ifexist&contentdom=text&nav=hosts%2Cauthors%2Cnamespace%2Ctopics%2Cfiletype%2Cprotocol&startRecord=0&resource=global&urlmaskfilter=.*&prefermaskfilter=&indexof=off&meanCount=5&maximumRecords=10
23:39 < mcallan> or this one, which gives different results: http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8090/yacysearch.html?query=votorola
23:41 < mcallan> there's bugs in there.  i followed a link to a search result, and then came back and all the results were different.  this time, some of them actually pointed to votorola pages
23:41 < conseo> it is dynamically loading matches
23:41 < conseo> (not nearly as fast as google), but it automatically uses scroogle to get more hits
23:42 < mcallan> i see.  it's learning from my queries somehow, or using the queries to focus the crawls
23:42 < conseo> the nice thing is its proxy which allows me to automatically crawl all pages i visit with depth 2, so i get much better results for stuff i am interested in and find things i don't find on google
23:42 < mcallan> i see
23:47 < conseo> it gives me somehow a feeling of what the web must have been before google. i barely used before 2002
23:47 < conseo> used it
23:52 < mcallan> wow, it seems like so long ago, when you think of how different it was
23:54 < conseo> yep, it is a weird feeling, like something got lost
--- Log closed Mon Aug 29 00:00:31 2011