--- Log opened Mon Aug 08 00:00:01 2011
05:24 < conseo> mcallan: r u still there?
05:25 < mcallan> lol, my mouse was hovering over the exit button on my desktop...
05:25 < mcallan> good morning :-)
05:26 < conseo> good morning :-)
05:26 < conseo> so you were about to leave?
05:29 < conseo> i have thought about vote mirroring and my last mail
05:29 < conseo> i also have the pipermail scraper mostly working in a first version, but i still have problems with my classpath
05:30 < conseo> it is weird, although System.getenv("CLASSPATH") lists the jdbc jar file i get a ClassNotFoundException.
05:31 < mcallan> ok, i'm probably too slow to type anything intelligent right now...
05:31 < conseo> ok
05:32 < conseo> i have lost (or can
05:32 < mcallan> CLASSPATH is only the default if nothing specified on command line, i think...
05:33 < mcallan> check the SDK docs for 'java', to be sure
05:34 < conseo> 't remeber actually) my servers master disk encryption password, so i don't receive my mail atm. i am really screwed if i can't remember it soon and i don't know what was on my mind when i actually changed it...
05:34 < mcallan> votorola ignores CLASSPATH for example, i'm pretty sure
05:35 < mcallan> you changed it recently?
05:35 < conseo> time to buy a calendar and a FAIL plunger for days like this
05:36 < conseo> nope the server was up for 170 days
05:36 < conseo> i can't remember to have changed it, but i must have
05:36 < mcallan> ah, i see...
05:37 < conseo> ok, i need to have a look into the classpath stuff. atm. the jar contains all dependencies for webharvester so easiest is to copy the postgresql stuff in there and repack it i guess
05:38 < mcallan> you shouldn't have to do that, but if you don't have time, i guess that will work
05:39 < mcallan> you'll probably remember the password, if you give yourself some time
05:40 < conseo> i hope so
05:41 < conseo> i just wanted to say that i think vote mirroring is crucial and we definetly need it, so i am fine with your strategy. it is just that i think it is not sufficient. i fear we need to do a lot more of the dirty work as well :-)
05:44 < conseo> but maybe we can team up with the freedombox initiative and the similiar movement of distributed social network services, so new opportunities might be on their way
05:46 < mcallan> i'm too far gone to think at that level, but i'll pick up the thread tomorrow,,,
05:47 < conseo> sure
05:48 < mcallan> don't worry too much about the password, give yourself some time, and it'll come to you
05:48 < conseo> ok
05:49 < mcallan> i'll reply about vote mirroring etc. after i get some zzz's, or we can talk too...
05:49 < mcallan> cu soon
05:49 < conseo> besides the missing pollname and the database storage (i store it in files atm.) the pipermail scraper works
05:49 < conseo> ok
05:49 < conseo> cu and gn8
05:49 < mcallan> ah good...
05:50 < mcallan> we're both coding difficult stuff right now, and i think you're ahead of me
05:51 < conseo> i don't think so :-D actually i thought the opposite during the weekend
05:51 < conseo> but if you have to access (x)html for scraping i think xpath is awesome there
05:54 < conseo> web-harvest uses http://saxon.sourceforge.net/#F9.3HE
06:00 < mcallan> sorry i'm out of sync right now, c, but if you're around in 10 hours or so, i'll be back online...
06:00 < conseo> ok
06:00 < conseo> cu
06:00 < mcallan> cu soon
15:53 < conseo> mcallan: re
16:30 < mcallan> conseo: did you say you lost access to your past email messages?
16:31 < conseo> maybe, don
16:32 < conseo> 't know yet. why?
16:33 < mcallan> i can cut you a copy of your past messages to me, in case it helps jog your memory about the password (you never know)
16:34 < mcallan> funny thing, whenever you type an apostophe (') it causes a line break: http://zelea.com/var/cache/irc/votorola/11-08/08
16:44 < conseo> yep i have a us keyboard now and ' is directly besides carriage return
16:45 < conseo> i still have to make myself comfortable with it, although many of the characters needed for programming are nearer at end imho
16:46 < conseo> at hand :-)
16:50 < mcallan> i see :-)
16:59 < conseo> has canda its own keyboard layout?
17:00 < conseo> canada, arggh
17:03 < mcallan> not english canada, but maybe the french do
17:04 < mcallan> they have all those accent aigus, and circumflexes, and what not
17:06 < conseo> staring at a password prompt can drive you crazy
17:06 < mcallan> right, that won't help ;-)
17:07 < conseo> hehe
17:07 < mcallan> is there any important data on the server?
17:08 < conseo> yep, now that you mentioned.. my backup
17:08 < conseo> ehm mail srz
17:08 < conseo> y
17:09 < mcallan> mail, ok.  what are the other ones?
17:09 < conseo> server configs. and a whole bunch of multimedia (i have some partial backups of that though)
17:10 < mcallan> what is ehm? srz?
17:10 < conseo> is it difficult for you to drop my mails in the c account?
17:11 < mcallan> not at all, i'll start on that
17:11 < conseo> english/german keyboard y/z exchanged
17:11 < conseo> ok cool
17:11 < conseo> starting with february if possible (i had a raid failure back then and had to encrypt the new platters)
17:12 < mcallan> (lol, it's the kb again)
17:13 < mcallan> ok, i'll give you all of them, right back to the beginning
17:27 < conseo> ok, cool, thx
18:11 < mcallan> you have too many email addresses, c ;-)
18:11 < mcallan> conseo: they're in your ~/tmp/
18:13 < mcallan> those are just the private messages. let me know if you need copies of any list archives, or anything else
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