--- Log opened Thu Jul 21 00:00:02 2011
17:27 < conseo> mcallan: ping
17:47 < conseo> http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2011/07/towards-50-gvcs-tools-by-2013/#more-3314
18:13 < mcallan> conseo: pong
18:16 < conseo> mcallan: i have read that "unlike us" article
18:16 < conseo> at least a big part of it
18:16 < conseo> i am not sure if they are right for us
18:17 < conseo> in fact i doubt it
18:17 < conseo> or was it a general information?
18:29 < mcallan> i guess it's just curiosity on my part (hopeful curiosity, mind you).  you see no hope?
18:31 < conseo> i am sceptical towards critical theorists
18:32 < conseo> they are mostly focused on getting stunning analysis for society while not reall working on a solution, leaving alone acting
18:32 < conseo> it feels too academic for my taste
18:32 < conseo> but prove me wrong
18:32 < conseo> i posted the link, because i think they got a lot a right
18:32 < conseo> they were perfect for us imo
18:33 < conseo> they understand the social problems of acting together and get something worked out (they learned the hard way) and they are all about acting in social totality which is only adequate for votorola
18:33 < conseo> not some small governance perspective, but complete open self-reproduction in any means
18:34 < conseo> but hey, just my two pence
18:34 < conseo> we should talk about it on the weekend
18:34 < conseo> imo
18:36 < conseo> also this project is unlike anything i have seen (not thought about) before
18:36 < conseo> but they might not want us
18:36 < mcallan> i'll work with anybody who moves a finger, i have no favourites :-)  they might not need us, because they are engineers
18:37 < mcallan> they don't need to agree on anything, just make stuff that works (like us)
18:37 < conseo> but they plan to build a village of ~200 people until 2013/14 or so
18:37 < conseo> that is why i have posted you to read the article (since you won't watch the flash movies :-p)
18:38 < mcallan> only to test their machines (i did skim over it)
18:38 < conseo> mcallan: no they need to live together and decide how to focus on what and so on
18:38 < conseo> it might not be their problem atm. but it will be pretty soon
18:39 < conseo> they are already trying to figure out how to manage such a thing correctly (more technically than socially imo)
18:39 < mcallan> we need alpha testers today, though
18:39 < conseo> sure
18:40 < mcallan> unlike-us is a mailing list, that's all
18:40 < conseo> ok, i'll think about it until the weekend
18:40 < conseo> i am back at learning :-S
18:40 < mcallan> ostensibly they care about freedom, and we're developing tools of freedom
18:41 < mcallan> more than that, they care about making tools free - freeing them from monopolies
18:41 < conseo> ostensibly, he?
18:41 < conseo> :-)
18:41 < conseo> i am ok with that
18:41 < mcallan> so do we (yes, ost because there was no reply to my post of yesterday)
18:41 < conseo> i am even ok with them if this is best atm., just my longer term perspective is definetly more like ose
18:42 < mcallan> for resource stuff, maybe
18:42 < mcallan> for economy stuff
18:42 < conseo> we also need people who are free to implement the plans they decide upon
18:42 < conseo> this is difficult in our society, where a lot of hazzles and limitations exist
18:43 < mcallan> no, not in the case of polical issues
18:43 < mcallan> the gov't can be (usually is) the actor
18:43 < mcallan> it's a big deal if people agree on a law, for example
18:43  * conseo is playing simple processor and is hand-calculating some assembler code. currently at less than 1/300 Hz :-D
18:43 < mcallan> (never happened before)]
18:44 < mcallan> ah, sounds like fun
18:44 < mcallan> :-)
18:44 < mcallan> but you are still studying...
18:44 < conseo> well, to some degree it is, but then this is not a real processor
18:45 < conseo> yes i am
18:45 < mcallan> ... i better not take too much of your time
18:45 < conseo> i'll ping you on the weekend (maybe tomorrow evening, if i got some time)
18:45 < mcallan> ok
18:45 < conseo> sure, i was just taking some break
18:45 < conseo> cu soon
18:46 < mcallan> cu, & good luck!
18:48 < conseo> thx
--- Log closed Fri Jul 22 00:00:18 2011