--- Log opened Tue Jun 21 00:00:04 2011
09:34 < mcallan> conseo: others won't have sip though.  an idea: get a cheapo pc to use as a skype box.  run knoppix or something from a cd, it should have skype pre-installed.  i find a P3 600MHz is just fast enough.  should cost next to nothing.  (when your exams are done)
09:35 < conseo> yep athlons are even better energy wise
09:35 < conseo> but i could also use a vm
09:35 < conseo> i can't take a pc with me and i would like to be able to use video telephony with the new laptop
09:36 < conseo> at least the quality seems to be pretty good
09:37 < mcallan> a vm to give you 32 bit. ok
09:37 < conseo> i am pretty happy with the machine, it is from another star compared to my old laptop (takes under a minute to build x xgwt javadoc doc from scratch)
09:38 < conseo> but i still have to figure some things out, esp. hardwarewise
09:40 < mcallan> sounds good, you'll figure them out
09:43 < conseo> yep, nothing really grave
10:35 < mcallan> ok, screw the outreach crap.  i'll just code my ass off till this thing is worthy of alpha users
10:35 < mcallan> i forgot my smiley, :-)
11:11 < conseo> :-)
11:36 < conseo> mcallan: what do you mean with screw the outreach crap? what do you plan to drop exactly?
12:00 < mcallan> conseo: i'll drop nagging people about alpha users, they don't understand.  i feel it's time to roll up into a ball (now that we have a complete design) and code the best we can on our own.
12:00 < conseo> ok
12:01 < conseo> as long as we get the resource stuff setup and can make crossforum usable i am ok with that
12:01 < conseo> we should talk at the weekend maybe
12:02 < conseo> we know which type of users we need so maybe we need to create a rough roadmap for us how to get there
12:02 < conseo> i think the list is pretty much talking and not working together
12:02 < mcallan> (the resources are core - they were the final piece of the design, it turns out.  so definitely they're in there)
12:02 < conseo> they don't even agree on building the same terminology, but every new idea has to be termed with some buzzwords instead of getting embedded in the existign concepts
12:03 < conseo> cool
12:03 < conseo> really awesome
12:04 < mcallan> yes, too much talking that gets us nowhere, enough of that
12:05 < mcallan> we don't know who are users are in *particular*, but we can work on the general features of the toolset that nearly everyone needs
12:05 < mcallan> "who _our_"
12:11 < conseo> ok
12:12 < conseo> it is somewhat a turn of you, but atm. i don't see much more alternatives either. we should keep reflecting on what we do with plans and stuff and we should try to reach out for activists imo, this aspect of yours is still important, right?
12:18 < mcallan> not so urgent now, reasons are interesting...
12:20 < mcallan> design is everything and we learned what we needed from the users already...
12:21 < mcallan> we learned that stepwise resource fulfillment is the main social attractor - or more accurately the social attractor that was missing
12:22 < mcallan> we have to thank Thomas for pulling us into the metagov list (and thank metgov too), because that's where we learned this
12:22 < mcallan> so we already had our alpha users
12:23 < mcallan> we'll need alpha users again, but not till we impl this design
12:24 < mcallan> (i was wrong on that count)
12:24 < mcallan> don't tell anyone :-)
12:28 < conseo> hehe
12:28 < conseo> kill xfbot :-p
12:29 < mcallan> hmmm, emacs... where did i put emacs?
12:29 < conseo> :-D
12:30 < conseo> i already miss debian/ubuntu, i get dependency problems (yum is really fast and smart with binary patching for upgrades though)
12:33 < mcallan> i'll hold off porting to the new server for a while.  can u *temporarily* our Google Groups list?
12:34 < mcallan> never mind
12:34 < mcallan> we *must* have a Mailman list
12:35 < mcallan> voharvester needs it... i'll set it up in a day or two
13:22 < conseo> ok
13:38 < mcallan> i'm away for a few hours c, cu soon
--- Log closed Wed Jun 22 00:00:20 2011