--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 00:00:29 2011
--- Log closed Sun Jun 12 01:35:25 2011
--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 04:52:15 2011
07:14 < thomasvonderelbe> mcallan: ping
07:34 < mcallan> thomasvonderelbe: greetings newcomer
07:34 < thomasvonderelbe> :-)
07:35 < mcallan> how do u like our new channel?
07:36 < thomasvonderelbe> what should say? very beautiful!
07:36 < thomasvonderelbe> looks just like the other
07:36 < mcallan> better than the old one!
07:36 < thomasvonderelbe> no, exactly the same
07:37 < mcallan> ok, but we'll *make* it better
07:37 < thomasvonderelbe> what is the reason for it?
07:38 < mcallan> so we have a home
07:38 < mcallan> (sometimes i get homesick)
07:38 < mcallan> (tired of hanging around other people's homes)
07:38 < thomasvonderelbe> what i realized thinking about it: its kind of strange, that all our talk here is public and potentially goes into collective memory of mankind for eternaty. potentially, since its recoreded.
07:39 < mcallan> heaven help us! :-)
07:39 < thomasvonderelbe> i tend to forget this and just talk very plain 
07:40 < mcallan> that's prob. for the best
07:40 < thomasvonderelbe> lol
07:40 < thomasvonderelbe> hopefully
07:40 < thomasvonderelbe> u never know though
07:40 < mcallan> better to be naive
07:40 < thomasvonderelbe> is this also one of your fundamental rules?
07:41 < mcallan> prince myshkin's
07:41 < mcallan> you don't like my rules
07:41 < thomasvonderelbe> i was just chewing on your other rule, the one u posted on metagov-list
07:41 < mcallan> it's just a rule, you don't have to swallow it :-)
07:42 < mcallan> i mean just look at it objectively
07:42 < thomasvonderelbe> ok, too late, because i tried and now its stuck in my throat and i cant breathe anymore
07:43 < mcallan> i thought so, lately
07:43 < mcallan> you want everything to be ONE
07:43 < thomasvonderelbe> you too, u just dont admit it!
07:44 < mcallan> not quite, i'm naive
07:44 < mcallan> ;-)
07:45 < thomasvonderelbe> how about if we talk over skype ?
07:45 < mcallan> ok, i'll turn the box on...
07:45 < thomasvonderelbe> in  5 min? ok
07:50 < mcallan> well, took 5 minutes for the box to start :-)
07:52 < mcallan> thomasvonderelbe: skype is dead again
07:52 < mcallan> silly thing
07:52 < mcallan> can u call me over land line?
07:52 < mcallan> (i'll buy u a beer)
07:55 < mcallan> thomasvonderelbe: hang on...
07:56 < mcallan> the thing is alive
07:57 < conseo_temp> :-D
07:57 < conseo_temp> i need to find a replacement for skype
07:58 < conseo_temp> do you have sip, mcallan?
07:58 < conseo_temp> thomasvonderelbe already has and i even have my landline connected over a sip account
07:58 < mcallan> hey c, no sip
07:59 < conseo_temp> ekiga also allowed direct ip/domain calling, which should work if we call you mcallan or you call me thomasvonderelbe
07:59 < conseo_temp> mcallan: you have a fixed ip, so it should not be a big deal to open a few ports, and you can call directly
07:59 < conseo_temp> maybe there even is some commandline tool :-D
08:00 < thomasvonderelbe> sorry for the delay, i am back
08:00 < thomasvonderelbe> i have jitsi installed, which i use for my voip calls
08:00 < mcallan> :-)  sounds interesting, tho it's always a big deal for me - being a slow admin
08:00 < thomasvonderelbe> and there you can also have accounts like in skype imo
08:01 < mcallan> (that's why u can call so cheap)
08:01 < thomasvonderelbe> hm, i think its everywhere so cheap
08:01 < thomasvonderelbe> but you seem online now in skype
08:01 < thomasvonderelbe> mie
08:02 < thomasvonderelbe> mike
08:02 < mcallan> conseo_temp: are u going to gab with us?
08:02 < mcallan> (yes, seems i have two skypes installed, jekyll and hyde)
08:04 < conseo_temp> well, i have to do some maths stuff, but i will be around here for some time
08:04 < conseo_temp> if you have something important to discuss, then of course i would talk to you
08:04 < conseo_temp> would like to
08:05 < conseo_temp> hmm, i don't have skype here, but wait, i'll try to join mcallan
12:52 < conseo_temp> mcallan, thomasvonderelbe: any further results? any conclusions on where to engage?
13:05 < mcallan> conseo_temp: kind of agreed to do it ourselves first
13:05 < mcallan> maybe even (if i get my way) without tool supports at first - blazing a trail for development so to speak
13:06 < mcallan> but feel our way into it, in any case
13:08 < mcallan> sorry i missed your ping earlier, i couldn't find it one my screen (useless windoze UI)
13:10 < thomasvonderelbe> conseo_temp: my fazit is: i am going to start to look for issues of interest and forums active in these issues
13:12 < mcallan> i'm crashing guys, cu soon
14:14 < conseo_temp> ok, me too
--- Log closed Sun Jun 12 23:27:42 2011
--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 23:34:55 2011
23:40 < mcallan> oper
23:40 < mcallan> (try that again)
23:41 < mcallan> xfbot: 
23:41 < mcallan> xfbot: time
--- Log closed Mon Jun 13 00:00:55 2011