--- Log opened Sat Jun 11 20:22:04 2011
20:23 <@mcallan> once more, now that we're logging:
20:23  * mcallan smashes champagne bottle
20:26 < conseo_temp> hey op
20:26 <@mcallan> greeting newcomer
20:27 <@mcallan> how come i am @mcallan here?
20:27 < conseo_temp> you are operator
20:27 < conseo_temp> (you created the channel)
20:27 <@mcallan> i though u created it
20:27 <@mcallan> *thought*
20:27 <@mcallan> oh cause i posted first?
20:27 < conseo_temp> you can extend operator status i think. nope i didn't, i just described what i have don with #metagov
20:28 < conseo_temp> because you joined a non existing channel
20:28 < conseo_temp> and created it
20:28 < conseo_temp> but i am not experienced with irc
20:28 <@mcallan> hmmm, i like it
20:29 <@mcallan> i'll make you operator too later, once i learn the ropes
20:29 < conseo_temp> my question about the resource management was if it is supposed to be generic, or if it is supposed to replacable like the feeds and maps
20:29 < conseo_temp> well, this nick is not permanent anyway
20:29 <@mcallan> oh each resource defines it's own content for the resource view
20:30 < conseo_temp> ok, so it is generic
20:30 < conseo_temp> good
20:30 <@mcallan> yes.  only the rough structure (toolbar, slice stack, HUD) is fixed
20:30 < conseo_temp> brb, get something to chew on
20:31 < conseo_temp> yep, that makes sensimho
20:48 < conseo_temp> re
20:52 < conseo_temp> mcallan: cannot update v config
20:52 < conseo_temp> you need to do it
20:56 <@mcallan> conseo_temp: try again
20:58 < conseo_temp> xfbot: channels
20:58 < xfbot> Currently monitoring: #metagov
20:58 < conseo_temp> hmm, bug
20:58 <@mcallan> greetings newcomer
20:58 <@mcallan> xfbot: time
20:58 < xfbot> mcallan: The time is now Sat Jun 11 20:58:57 EDT 2011
20:59 <@mcallan> correct!
21:02 <@mcallan> conseo_temp: ownership was changed:
21:02 <@mcallan> -rw-rw-r-- 1 c    users     2817 Jun 11 20:57 voharvester.js
21:02 <@mcallan> -rw-rw-r-- 1 v    votorola  2776 Apr 22 14:39 voharvester.js~
21:03 < conseo_temp> huh
21:04 < conseo_temp> just saved in emacs
21:04 <@mcallan> weird
21:05 <@mcallan> maybe because it is set to create backup?
21:06 <@mcallan> put in your .emacs: make-backup-files nil
21:07 <@mcallan> coif that fails, i could set your gid to votorola
21:07 <@mcallan> *if*
21:07 <@mcallan> conseo_temp: let me know
21:13 < conseo_temp> i have put exactly this string in ~/.emacs  but no success
21:13 < conseo_temp> the gid still changes to users
21:13 < conseo_temp> mcallan: 
21:14 <@mcallan> hmmm
21:15 <@mcallan> conseo_temp: try again (.emacs had syntax error)
21:16 < conseo_temp> me no lisp :-(
21:17 <@mcallan> :-)
21:17 < conseo_temp> not yet
21:17 < conseo_temp> works
21:17 < conseo_temp> not yet any lisp experience i meant
21:17 < conseo_temp> and now it works
21:17 <@mcallan> ok, looks good
21:28 < conseo_temp> mcallan: do you have a release plan or something, or what are you doing atm.?
21:28 <@mcallan> already released
21:28 <@mcallan> u didn't notice, 'cause you hate google
21:29 <@mcallan> at moment, i am "clearing decks" :-)
21:29 < conseo_temp> well, i also dislike facebook, but nowadays people on university discuss solutions and excercices on facebook
21:29 <@mcallan> nuisance
21:29 <@mcallan> (don't like fbook either)
21:30 < conseo_temp> i have leaks everywhere and i can't emancipate
21:30 < conseo_temp> it is ridiculous, but its convenience simply pulls everybody in
21:30 <@mcallan> two years in the making (almost): http://groups.google.com/group/votorola/t/6540bf5638790d21
21:30 < conseo_temp> even email seems to be outdated for many people
21:30 < conseo_temp> but you move to mailman, right?
21:31 <@mcallan> email will *never* be unseated, except by face2face
21:31 <@mcallan> mailman, unless there is better
21:31 <@mcallan> i will rebuild the server OS first
21:31  * mcallan hates google groups
21:32 < conseo_temp> ok
21:32 <@mcallan> big ugly red message stuck there for 6 months
21:32 <@mcallan> *google* hates google groups
21:32 < conseo_temp> ok, good, because i don't want to have communication issues with you on this level, otherwise i would swallow google groups, if you stick to it
21:33 <@mcallan> no gg is going, we wuz only waiting for the right moment
21:36 <@mcallan> conseo_temp: can u really *discuss* on fb?
21:36 < conseo_temp> nope, i know that they do, but i refuse to join it
21:36 < conseo_temp> i am not on facebook and have never discussed anything there
21:37 < conseo_temp> maybe i could get some dummy accounts, but i don't think that this will work out as emancipation in the long term
21:37 < conseo_temp> i am still hoping that free software comes up with something more open and emancipated for social web services
21:37 < conseo_temp> it is one big mess atm. 
21:38 <@mcallan> even if they do discuss, i doubt they are public. useless
21:38 <@mcallan> (i have account on fb, but never used it. first thing after signing up, it showed me a picture of my ex girlfriend. blew me away)
21:39 < conseo_temp> :-/
21:40 < conseo_temp> well it represents a new level of digital networking, but it is not done right
21:40 <@mcallan> if there is no discussion, it's not a social medium
21:41 < conseo_temp> for me it looks like a protestant platform for online prostitution. you go there to sell yourself to potential friends and that is all for what it is good for, although it could be much more imo
21:41 <@mcallan> yes exactly, it is for exhibition
21:43 < conseo_temp> sad that we have a consent on this
21:43 < conseo_temp> it is really cheap
21:44 < conseo_temp> but then people are connected through this medium all day and seems to represent a big part of communication between young people nowadays
21:44 < conseo_temp> so i guess we have to think about it someway or another in the not so distant future
21:44 <@mcallan> could be worse, beats mass media
21:45 < conseo_temp> yep, exactly
21:46 < conseo_temp> my printer drives me nuts, it has some weird issue with the duplex unit
21:47 <@mcallan> i gave up on printers, use kinko's print services
21:50 < conseo_temp> this one is really good it is chaep robust and has served me well (the first printer with these attributes), but since last week i have issues
21:52 < conseo_temp> it was aged already and i bought it on ebay, but it was very good at its time and it still is for a black-white laser printer. if a printer shop would be near (100 meters), than i might use that as well, but there is nothing like that here
21:53 < conseo_temp> i mean a print service
22:05 < conseo_temp> xfbot: time
22:05 < xfbot> conseo_temp: The time is now Sat Jun 11 22:05:07 EDT 2011
22:08 < conseo_temp> mcallan: i go to bed
22:08 < conseo_temp> cu soon
22:10 <@mcallan> cu, n8 c
--- Log closed Sun Jun 12 00:00:29 2011