--- Log opened Wed Feb 15 00:00:46 2012 06:04 -!- davycw_ is now known as davycw 09:42 < sdboyer> hieroph4nt: iiiinteresting...you guys decided to avoid the browser and go for a desktop app, eh? 09:42 < sdboyer> only way to really not be client/server 09:42 < hieroph4nt> sdboyer: web is dead xD 09:42 < sdboyer> hieroph4nt: lol 09:43 < hieroph4nt> for those who want to be update on globalsquare, last release http://theglobalsquare.org/call4coders 09:43 < hieroph4nt> sdboyer: what do you think about that? 09:43 < hieroph4nt> need help to get python coders on board 09:44 < sdboyer> hieroph4nt: i can understand why you made the decision...i gotta get on the train though, i'll ponder it a bit while i'm there then ping you once i'm at the office 09:44 < hieroph4nt> great 09:45 * scottrigby hellos hieroph4nt 09:46 * hieroph4nt hails scottrigby 09:46 < hieroph4nt> how are u mate? 09:46 < hieroph4nt> did we talk before? 09:47 < scottrigby> hey :) oh yeah, it's scott from basekamp 09:47 < hieroph4nt> oooh 09:47 < hieroph4nt> right, right! 09:48 < hieroph4nt> what is up? 09:49 < scottrigby> right now trying to find a place for the Squatting Europe Kollective to get internet to talk with us while they're in NYC 09:50 < hieroph4nt> nice 09:50 < scottrigby> actually… 09:50 < hieroph4nt> i dont know this kollective 09:50 < hieroph4nt> will find out 09:50 < scottrigby> oh… i'll get a link 09:51 < hieroph4nt> k 09:51 < scottrigby> http://occuprop.blogspot.com/ 09:51 * hieroph4nt looking 09:51 < scottrigby> has info on the SQEK "convention" 09:52 < hieroph4nt> yes i see 09:52 < hieroph4nt> sounds interesting 09:52 < hieroph4nt> hope somehave the chance to also visit nyc 09:53 < hieroph4nt> hope someday i will have the chance to also visit nyc 09:53 < scottrigby> and Philly! 09:56 < hieroph4nt> haha sure! 09:58 < scottrigby> sdboyer: btw, someone (Jake?) sent an email about the Yippie Museum… do you (or know who might) have a sympathetic contact there? 09:58 < scottrigby> or do you know of any other places where an occupy-related Skype conference call might happen in NYC? ^ for the SQEK thing i mentioned just above 09:59 < hieroph4nt> i really dont know :D 09:59 < scottrigby> this would be sometime during February 23-27 09:59 < scottrigby> actually, i should probably mail the list 11:15 < sdboyer> scottrigby: i don't know yippie, sorry 11:18 < sdboyer> hieroph4nt1: so, my thoughts - i think a p2p network is ideal for content distribution, ensuring availability, and avoiding tampering and censorship 11:18 < scottrigby> ok np… this just promises to be a really cool ows-related un-conference and they've been trying to connect to us on Skype, but have nowhere to do that atm 11:18 < sdboyer> and i also think that doing p2p pretty much inevitably does mean not doing it via a browser (which is entirely fine) 11:21 < sdboyer> that you're still planning on emitting rdf is excellent, it keeps us describing things semantically and provides an interoperability format 11:21 < hieroph4nt1> yes 11:21 < hieroph4nt1> hope we can make our coordination stronger tho 11:21 < sdboyer> that's on the plus side. on the downside, without knowing tribler, i think there are some key coordinative problems that p2p makes very difficult 11:21 < hieroph4nt1> are u still in contact with ed? 11:22 < sdboyer> haven't talked with him in a little while, he and i should catch up 11:22 < hieroph4nt1> for example? 11:22 < sdboyer> any item of content that can be edited by multiple people 11:23 < sdboyer> what happens with a simultaneous write in multiple locations? it's your basic master-master replication problem 11:24 < sdboyer> this isn't really an issue with most filesharing right now, where it's all fundamentally additive...ehh, there's a word for the journaling technique 11:24 < sdboyer> you never overwrite anything, just create new instances 11:24 < sdboyer> which is fine for something like a piece of media, but is much less fine when you need to have a canonical thing, like say an event 11:25 < sdboyer> i think that's just a Hard Problem to do in a fully decentralized fashion 11:26 < sdboyer> not impossible, but 11:27 < sdboyer> that's one more technical issue, anyway. i also tend to believe that the key problem to be solved for a network like this to be good is the discoverability and porousness of the overall system to new/different people 11:27 < sdboyer> that's really what makes it transparent and participatory 11:27 < sdboyer> which isn't necessarily something that's more difficult to do in a desktop app, but it is something we're generally a bit more accustomed to in the web world 11:28 < sdboyer> which also dovetails with the note that i think there are, generally speaking, a lot fewer folks with the skills to work on something desktop app-based than web-based 11:29 < sdboyer> all that having been said, it's been in the back of my mind for a while that something like a non-http-based connection to this system would be necessary, as well as the p2p distribution of the content 11:29 < sdboyer> so from what i read of your plans so far, i'm still pretty happy in that it seems like we could design something interoperable with both an http-based and a desktop-based component, with some different capabilities for each 11:29 < sdboyer> e.g., nothing private over the http (which is our current plan for FGA, already) 12:32 < sdboyer> scor: ping 12:32 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: ping to you too :) 12:41 < scor> sdboyer: in meeting but will try to reply shortly 12:41 < sdboyer> scor: no rush 12:41 < scor> what's up? 12:41 < sdboyer> it's a big-picture question 12:41 < sdboyer> i'm working on the shell of the overall FGA spec doc right now 12:42 < sdboyer> and thinking about the role of RDF in describing various components of the system 12:42 < sdboyer> actually i need to step back and remember my original question, it's kinda muddy now, one sec :) 12:44 < elf-pavl1k> melvster1: hi =) 12:44 < melvster1> hi :) 12:45 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer has some questions related to RDF here, since you have posted about project he works on to socialswarm and others lists thought to invite you here =) 12:45 < melvster1> i know a bit about rdf ... happy to help, if I can :) 12:45 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: ahso - had a diff question for you 12:46 < sdboyer> no worries, i'm sure scor can cover it if not 12:46 < sdboyer> still formulating the RDF question, let me switch to my one for elf-pavl1k 12:46 < melvster1> haha scor knows much more than me :) 12:47 < melvster1> but ive been following distributed social networks for a few years ... so any questions you have i can probably help there 12:47 < sdboyer> cool 12:47 < sdboyer> so, how is the problem of registering any sort of node typically handled in a federated system? seems like explicit registration is usually just skipped 12:47 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: melvester helped with creating webid spec and does bunch of other cool projects! 12:47 < sdboyer> aaaaaaaaaawesome! 12:47 < sdboyer> melvster1++ 12:47 < melvster1> lol :) 12:47 < sdboyer> and nodes only 'appear' when some manner of interaction actually occurs 12:48 < sdboyer> scor convinced me that webid probably *is* an option for our particular distributed auth situation, which is exciting 12:48 < melvster1> sure it is 12:48 < melvster1> it's good you talk about nodes 12:49 < melvster1> this is the most important thing to get right (or wrong) 12:49 < sdboyer> :) 12:49 < sdboyer> lemme turn this doc on public, hang on 12:49 < sdboyer> the basic problem we need to solve is that without any kind of canonical listing of all the sources, it's impossible to design network-wide search capabilities 12:49 < sdboyer> which is really pretty important 12:49 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: but i haven't understood this 'reqistering' part, do you mean in some example? 12:49 < melvster1> first things first 12:50 < melvster1> and this is the most important think i can tell you 12:50 < sdboyer> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jURttum7YjVTxwLU8Ocv5ZhWMZ0RM4sByEuzQMabzIg/edit 12:50 < sdboyer> let's not share it around too much just yet 12:50 < melvster1> nodes must have an identifier 12:50 < sdboyer> yep 12:50 < scor> sdboyer: I think there should be a central repository that gets pinged when someone creates a node and wants to be included 12:50 < sdboyer> scor: yeah i've been dancing around that a bit but it seems kinda unavoidable 12:50 < sdboyer> i was thinking a p2p approach to that could work well 12:50 < melvster1> if the identifier is a local variable your system will scale locally, if your identifier is a global identifier (ie a URI) it will scale globally 12:50 < melvster1> hi scor :) 12:51 < sdboyer> melvster1: for sure 12:51 < scor> hi melvster1 12:51 < melvster1> this is what almost every network gets WRONG 12:51 < sdboyer> melvster1: seriously? that's kinda...distributed system 101 12:51 < sdboyer> :) 12:51 < scor> melvster1: no worries, sdboyer knows it already 12:51 < melvster1> yes well the simple things are the most powerful 12:51 < melvster1> great! 12:51 < sdboyer> :) 12:52 < scor> we've got site URIs etc 12:52 < sdboyer> yep 12:52 < scor> UUID is necessary 12:52 < sdboyer> though those are potentially subject to change, so yeah...uuid 12:52 < melvster1> which URI scheme? http? 12:52 < sdboyer> i would prefer a uuid at the core, which could have (potentially mutable) schemes depending on how its being accessed 12:52 < melvster1> a UUID is not a URI 12:52 < melvster1> you can have a URN 12:52 < sdboyer> yep, i know 12:52 < melvster1> with a UUID 12:52 < melvster1> sorry 12:53 < sdboyer> no worries 12:53 < melvster1> i dont mean to be patronizing! 12:53 < sdboyer> you're not at all, don't sweat it :) 12:53 < sdboyer> you have no idea how much i know, and want to make sure basics are covered, it's totally understandable 12:53 < sdboyer> our primary initial use case is a website and HTTP-based services 12:54 < melvster1> brilliant 12:54 < melvster1> well we know that scales 12:54 < melvster1> :) 12:54 < sdboyer> iiiiindeed. there'll lkely be some others as time goes on, but that's the first use case to tackle 12:55 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: so the primary case here - we've got a ton of network nodes which are all producing content. most of the time it's fine if "network interaction" only occurs if some user from one site crosses the boundary to another site and joins a group, posts content, wants to get updates, etc. 12:55 < sdboyer> that part's easy. what's *hard* is giving that user the ability to do a "global" search throughout the network, including of nodes they're not already subscribed to in some fashion, for some relevant content 12:55 < sdboyer> we've already established that network wide RDF datastores is a good way to solve this problem in general 12:56 < melvster1> sure and even better is read / write RDF data stores 12:56 < sdboyer> but we still have to be able to provide a canonical, or at least approaching-canonical, list of the data sources to the RDF dbs so that they can index everything in the first place 12:56 < scor> sdboyer: isn't that what we brielfy discussed on skype? (the search on nodes thing) 12:56 < sdboyer> scor: exactly 12:57 < sdboyer> melvster1: rw RDF? interesting...can't quite picture that, i've always thought of it as really read-oriented 12:57 < scor> yes 12:57 < scor> sdboyer: that's the RDF push I was telling you about 12:57 < sdboyer> scor: ohhh, i totally forgot about it 12:57 < melvster1> sdboyer: the first browser written in 1990 was read / write ... you could save edits to pages ;) 12:57 < scor> RDF data available in each node, each node can push its data to the central index 12:57 < sdboyer> melvster1: and we still have all the relics in the http protocol, hehe 12:58 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: maybe shooting blind - how about putting up some nodes of http://yacy.net/en/ ? 12:58 * sdboyer looks 12:58 < scor> or the central repo can pull from all the subscribed nodes 12:58 < melvster1> POST PUT PATCH DELETE MKCOL 12:59 < sdboyer> indeedly 12:59 < melvster1> sparql POST is very clever too 12:59 < melvster1> there's something called the sparql 'protocol' ... i havent looked at it much lately 12:59 < melvster1> but people i know say good things about it 12:59 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: that's interesting, first i'd heard of that 12:59 < melvster1> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-protocol/ 13:00 < melvster1> oh yes there's rdf push too 13:00 < melvster1> i forgot about that one :) 13:00 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: RDF gets us other benefits, so i think it's maybe best to stick with that...but let me try to read a bit more about yacy later and how you create a network within it that indexes only a specific set of "sites"/data 13:01 * sdboyer sees if he can mentally reconcile these things 13:01 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: i don't see them coliding... yacy just gives some 'out of the box' searching 13:02 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: gotcha 13:02 < scor> melvster1: SPARQL protocol is what is used to retrieve sparql results, I'm sure you've used it without knowing it ;) 13:02 < melvster1> cool! 13:03 < melvster1> so you're going to base this on drupal? 13:03 < sdboyer> the web platform anyway, yup 13:03 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: can you write down some example interaction scenarios expressing the chellenge you talk about? (whenever you get a chance) 13:03 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: yeah, i'm tryin to write them in this doc... 13:04 < melvster1> the lorea.cc folks have done quite a bit of work on this stuff, including webid / ostatus integration, but it's based on elgg ... unfortunately elgg has very few resources these days 13:04 < sdboyer> yep 13:04 < sdboyer> we've been conversing with lorea folks for a while 13:04 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: i guess you've met hellekin? he did bunch of stuff for lorea-elgg 13:05 < scor> melvster1: and with dispora too 13:05 < sdboyer> much of the reason to do it with drupal is simply that we can make it *rain* developers 13:05 < melvster1> lol 13:05 < melvster1> good choice 13:05 < melvster1> maybe we can put this in freedombox too then 13:06 -!- scottrigby_ is now known as scottrigby 13:06 < sdboyer> i heard about those but haven't had time to investigate - that's that debian...thing, right? 13:06 < melvster1> yep 13:06 < sdboyer> and yeah, hellekin used to camp out in here 13:06 < melvster1> dont worry, i follow it 13:06 < sdboyer> remind me of the goal again? 13:06 < melvster1> it's a little box you plug in 13:06 < melvster1> plug computer 13:06 < melvster1> and it does your social networking for you 13:06 < melvster1> among other things 13:07 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: so basically, the situation is this: someone sets up a new node (drupal site + correponding services). how do we provide a way for a) its new, fresh-faced users to discover other occupation sites (since they're not explicitly connected to any yet) 13:08 < sdboyer> and b) how do we know where to reach out to to find out what's trending/happening in the meta-network spaces? (this is MUCH more complicated and longer-term, but still relevant 13:08 < sdboyer> basically it's a problem of providing connection to existing activity without users having reached out and made an explicit connection 13:09 < sdboyer> melvster1: see it's interesting, the more i think about FGA the more i think it's *not* about individuals. they're important, but it's really more about the group situations we create 13:09 < melvster1> sdboyer: one possible solution give your project a DOAP file (description of a project) 13:09 < melvster1> from the DOAP you can link to a registry 13:10 < sdboyer> which makes it orthogonal to many of the highly individual-centric efforts 13:10 < melvster1> you can do both :) 13:11 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: i would see need of some nodes acting as such 'registries', not one central but various one - some more popular some less, but 13:11 < melvster1> scor might have a good idea how to do this kind of distributed search 13:12 < scor> melvster1: I think the main question here is about infrastructure, data flow…. DOAP is just a vocab, mostly about providing a decription for each node 13:12 < elf-pavl1k> and it should work rather smooth to make 'listings' in any number of them 13:12 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: yeah ok you're thinkin in the same direction as i am 13:12 < scor> which is good, but does not solve the data flow, where data lives 13:12 < sdboyer> which brings me back to p2p or a gossipy protocol of some kind for the registry data 13:13 < melvster1> but you can have a central DOAP for the parent project that links to it's preferred registry ... when all else fails you can check that 13:13 < elf-pavl1k> not sure if on the same page but i would see it in plurale 'registries' 13:13 < scor> yeah p2p it is - we could bake that in the RDF data module in Drupal 13:13 * sdboyer is happy to file this away under questions to be solved specifically later 13:13 < melvster1> discovery in the "open world assumption" is an interesting problem ... 13:13 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: yeah it's essential that it be multiple - whether those are all the same canonical copy or multiple incomplete copies from which a whole can be stitched together...i could go either way 13:14 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: to collect some 'interaction cases' in executable plain english you can look at stuff like here: http://bdd.alexo.it/ 13:14 < sdboyer> melvster1: that it is :) 13:14 < elf-pavl1k> i just have xp with cucumber while doing rails stuff... 13:14 < sdboyer> mmm, cucumber 13:14 < melvster1> i can ask kingsley .. he's good at that kind of thing 13:14 < sdboyer> i do like bdd, but i haven't had a chance to actually employ it for anything yet 13:14 < sdboyer> it's one of the many dev best practices areas that drupal lags behind in 13:15 < sdboyer> interesting that this guy is doing it with drupal though, that's handy 13:15 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: maybe this ends up in an interaction use case, but i think this is mostly something i'd prefer be solved faaaar away from user interaction 13:15 < sdboyer> at least that's my gut 13:16 < melvster1> if you're going to use drupal matt slater runs the LETS module for time banking etc. elf-pavl1k knows him too ... ive also made a linked data economic system :) 13:17 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: i just sometimes find people (including me) fooking for a 'holy grail' and very general solution, while many stuff we can solve piece by piece and generalize later... 13:17 < melvster1> in fact i based my system mostly on the drupal table :) 13:17 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: yeah quite agreed 13:17 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: consider this discussion me trying to just get the lay of the land, identify where the holy grail is, then go solidly in the direction of "good enough" :) 13:18 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: hey, i do love to brainstorm =D 13:18 < sdboyer> :) 13:18 < scor> melvster1: kingsley is also very pushy 13:18 < sdboyer> hehe 13:18 < melvster1> sure he can be, but he knows his stuff 13:18 * elf-pavl1k 'pushy' LOL :-) 13:18 < sdboyer> melvster1: i wonder if i may have heard about that...there's been a bunch of alternative economic discussions going on in ows spaces, needless to say 13:19 < melvster1> id say only timbl himself and perhaps a few others have kingsley's knowledge 13:19 < sdboyer> i can handle pushy personally, though i'm loathe to introduce pushy folks into the FGA group spaces 13:20 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: you can still ask questions on various channels, melvster1 knows tons of them from what i see ;) 13:21 < sdboyer> absolutely 13:21 < sdboyer> melvster1: if you're the irc camping type, i'd love it if you'd hang out in here 13:21 < melvster1> ill add it to my macros :) 13:21 < sdboyer> great 13:21 < melvster1> xdotool key slash 13:21 < melvster1> xdotool type "join #ows-fga" 13:21 < melvster1> xdotool key KP_Enter 13:22 < melvster1> :) 13:22 < sdboyer> the past 6 weeks have been slow for us - honestly since the wired article came out i've basically just been swamped with conversations about the project, rather than actually driving it forward 13:22 < melvster1> yeah that normally happens in the beginning 13:22 < melvster1> after 6 months often a different story 13:22 < sdboyer> we've been shoring up our overall plans for the network, and just had our inaugural meeting of our "sounding board" (composed of actual real-world organizers) last week 13:22 < sdboyer> hehe 13:23 < melvster1> one person in lorea that is very good is caedes 13:23 < sdboyer> but we finally got the skeleton for this spec doc out, so i'm going through and...giving birth to all the crap that's gotten built up in my head since our original docs & specs were written 13:23 < sdboyer> don't know him/her 13:23 < sdboyer> we've got our build system somewhat together, which i'm pretty excited about 13:24 < sdboyer> actually very excited about - imo, it's a lynchpin in making this something which can actually have lots of people working on it, commenting on its development, etc. 13:24 < melvster1> joining forces with drupal could be an awesome idea 13:25 < sdboyer> that part is decided, a donedeal 13:26 < sdboyer> consider it a pre-assumption for the project. it doesn't necessarily have to be built in drupal, of course, but much of the interest we've drummed up thus far has been through the drupal community 13:26 < sdboyer> got a lot of people waiting to be able to sink their teeth in and hel 13:26 < scor> well, a lot of people in the group are from the Drupal community already - that's the first thing I noticed when I joined! 13:26 < sdboyer> help 13:26 < sdboyer> indeed 13:26 < melvster1> sdboyer: have you heard of social swarm? 13:26 < sdboyer> the whole idea was first written down at drupalcamp san francisco last october 13:26 < sdboyer> melvster1: i have 13:26 < sdboyer> it feels rather different from what we're looking to do 13:27 < sdboyer> i'm a bit of an apostate when it comes to swarms :) 13:27 < scor> sdboyer: #swig is where a lot of the semweb / RDF discussion happens… 13:27 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: ok, i need to lay down and rest a bit, please ping me once you have written down some example interaction scenarios showing various challenges =) 13:27 < sdboyer> scor: cool, joined 13:28 < sdboyer> elf-pavl1k: i'll try to, but i'll likely have to backburner it - can't get into that level of detail at this stage in the spec-writing 13:28 < sdboyer> need to cover the full spectrum first 13:28 < elf-pavl1k> sdboyer: no rush ;) 13:28 < sdboyer> thanks! 13:29 * elf-pavl1k waves to all \o/ 13:29 < sdboyer> ...holy shit i'm on the frontpage of the village voice website 13:30 < sdboyer> melvster1: http://projects.occupy.net/boards/6/topics/27 - we're really oriented towards groups, like i said, so i'm slightly hesitant towards more algorithmic/swarm-based interaction models 13:31 < sdboyer> but i have read a bit about socialswarm and do want to know more - i've not prejudged it or anything :) 13:31 < melvster1> sdboyer: seen that page already ... posted it to a few lists this morning :) yes it looks good 13:32 < sdboyer> yeah the reporter didn't tell me it'd been published, heh 13:32 < melvster1> oh wait ... maybe not that exact page 13:32 < melvster1> one other from the site 13:32 < melvster1> ok reading ... 13:33 -!- hieroph4nt1 is now known as hieroph4nt 13:34 < melvster1> sdboyer: im amazed how many conversations you can hold simultaneously :D 13:35 < sdboyer> melvster1: ahh, that's the wonderful illusion of technology - that i'm actually "holding" the conversations, not just flitting around like an ADD fuzzball 13:35 < melvster1> :) 13:35 -!- amgine is now known as Amgine 13:39 < sdboyer> oh...yikes. nick really got the wrong impression from me about a launch date 13:39 < sdboyer> well, that's not good 13:40 < lifeSUX> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/15/BA8N1N7HNQ.DTL 13:40 < lifeSUX> no change in 130 years of snowfall in the sierras 13:44 < lifeSUX> hehehe 13:45 < lifeSUX> http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/20-reasons-obamas-a-socialist/ 13:46 < sdboyer> lifeSUX: not really on-topic for this channel 13:46 < lifeSUX> yes, it IDS. OWS is run by socialists 13:46 < lifeSUX> IS 13:47 < scottrigby> :| 13:47 < sdboyer> lifeSUX: still not on topic for this channel. 13:47 < sdboyer> this is a channel for a software project, not political discussion about occupy in general 13:47 < lifeSUX> ...and the OWS is full of eco-nazis 13:48 < lifeSUX> This channel is for the Federated General Assembly working group (infrastructural support for a federation of occupations in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street) hmmm, OWS. 13:48 < sdboyer> yes. it's an software project in support of occupy. the purpose of the discussion is not politics about the movement - it's about the software project. 13:49 < sdboyer> you're welcome to criticize or call the movement into question in other spaces, but it's not on topic here 13:50 < lifeSUX> ok, wronf channel .. sorry. I';ll let you marsists sceme in peace 13:51 < sdboyer> thank you 13:51 < lifeSUX> still, if you support them , you must agree with their thinking and/or philosophy .. GHow stupid is THAT??? 13:52 < sdboyer> heh 13:52 * sdboyer is glad he didn't have to kick him 13:58 < scottrigby> nice one sdboyer 13:58 < sdboyer> scottrigby: ty 13:58 < scottrigby> kicking is sometimes fuel on the fire 13:58 < sdboyer> exactly 13:59 < sdboyer> to say nothing of it also being totally inconsistent with that whole "respectful group spaces" thing i'm always touting :) 13:59 < sdboyer> OH CRAP 13:59 < scottrigby> ? 13:59 < sdboyer> i have the email waiting from the directcongress.org people 13:59 < sdboyer> you saying something just reminded me 13:59 < scottrigby> cool 13:59 < sdboyer> it slipped through the cracks, i'll respond right now 14:00 < scottrigby> i mean… idk how cool that project really is, but does seem an interesting thing to at least be in conversation with 14:15 < sdboyer> right 16:44 -!- tbishop is now known as thebishop 22:09 -!- davycw_ is now known as davycw --- Log closed Thu Feb 16 00:00:02 2012