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06:09 -!- LP_ is now known as LP_ZZzz
09:19 -!- scottrigby_ is now known as scottrigby
10:51 < sdboyer> Senpai: :)
10:55  * Senpai bows
11:39 < Senpai> Hey, have you guys seen this one really funny thing on Reddit!? Oh...
14:01 -!- LP_ is now known as LP_afk
14:05 < walkah> why isn't occupy going nuts about SOPA/PIPA?
14:22  * scottrigby has been curious too
14:23 < scottrigby> in philly there have been some postings, but not a lot of focus there
14:30 < LP_afk> IMHO because it's complicated and vague
14:30 -!- LP_afk is now known as LP_
14:31 < LP_> The actual bill language is key. Though ultimately I really don't know. I think the net is taken for granted.. not only among ows peeps
15:06 < sdboyer> walkah: i'd echo LP_'s second point there
15:07 < walkah> as a movement co-ordinated largely online, and likely to come under attack by some of the vagueness in the language - I guess I was expecting *something*
15:08 < walkah> not to mention, of course, that they're solidly bills of, by and for the 1%
15:11 < walkah> sdboyer: I agree. Not only taken for granted but increasingly centralized, US-centric, consolidated and vulnerable
15:11 < sdboyer> walkah: actually that's part of the issue
15:11 < sdboyer> i wouldn't say it's a movement that's necessarily coordinated largely online
15:12 < sdboyer> in fact the thing that's separated it as a movement thus far from many of the other things that have happened recently is that it's happened offline
15:12 < sdboyer> we're some of the folks tryin to mix that up :P
15:12 < walkah> that's a fair point
15:13 < walkah> the locals have each had an offline component that were very powerful
15:13 < walkah> well, some of them anyway
15:14 < walkah> Toronto's occupy was... well.
15:14 < walkah> mostly an exercise in solidarity, afaict
15:14 < sdboyer> yep
15:14 < sdboyer> though, to quote shen tong
15:15 < sdboyer> "movements are built entirely on hot air"
15:15  * walkah is full of that
15:15 < sdboyer> :)
15:15 < Senpai> …and pizza.
15:15 < walkah> Senpai: full of that too
15:15 < Senpai> hehe
15:15 < walkah> I AM A MOVEMENT
15:15 < sdboyer> walkah: bowel?
15:15 < Senpai> I HAVE A MOVEM… never mind
15:16 < walkah> sdboyer: i'm not literally a bowel movement, no
15:16  * Senpai hifives sdboyer 
15:16 < walkah> i guess it depends who you ask
15:16 < Senpai> Hey, did you guys see that amazingly analytical SOPA writeup from the sysadmin guy?
15:16 < Senpai> Yeah, it's on Reddit, hang on for a link… oh.
15:17 < Senpai> never. mind.
15:17 < walkah> Senpai: the noe reddit links to?
15:17 < walkah> yeah
15:17 < walkah> *one
15:17 < walkah> http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html
15:17 < Senpai> yeah, that one. It's really good.
15:17 < walkah> it is
15:18 < walkah> as a US citizen who lives in Canada - it's terrifying to watch what the internet looks like when the "us vs. them" walls start going up
15:19 < Senpai> The rest of the world is like, "yur gonna do *what* to our domain names?"
15:19 < walkah> yeah
15:19 < walkah> it's completely fucking asinine
15:19 < Senpai> And the pirates have already started their rolling listshares of "valid" IP addresses
15:20 < walkah> well, yes, i think the fact that this bill isn't going to actually stop piracy at all - and that everyone outside of congress can see it - is the tragic irony component
15:20 < Amgine> IP masters, in North America, are still assigned by USA.
15:23 < Senpai> When the sponsors of the bill verbally admit that they "Don't know how all this internet stuff works", that's when we tell them to sit down, shut up, and stop preventing to represent the people on this issue.
15:23 < Senpai> Oh, sorry, I meant the corporations on this issue. My bad.
15:24 < walkah> heh
15:24 < Senpai> *stop pretending to represent
15:24 < walkah> i was gonna say - does anyone think the people have any representation anymore?
15:24 < walkah> however
15:24 < walkah> these bills are interesting because it's big money against big money
15:25 < Senpai> Oh. Wait. I think you just did. :)
15:31 < walkah> totally unrelated - interesting (encouraging / refreshing ) to see so many drupal folk at the heart of ows-fga
15:31 < walkah> way to go, team
15:39 < sdboyer> [15:25:59] <walkah> these bills are interesting because it's big money against big money <-- yeah, there's part of me which is purely abstractly fascinated by this train wreck because of that particular dimension
15:39 < walkah> sdboyer: indeed. even more interesting, it's 20th century money vs. 21st century money
15:39 < walkah> (which i'm reticent to call "new money vs. old money")
15:47 < LP_> On a good note, I tried calling kirsten gillibrand (D-NY-supports) twice today and got a busy signal. :)
15:50 < Senpai> walkah: The Drupal Crew is all up on this ows-fga thing because we don't wanna see yet another Drupal site get born, boxed in, and abandoned for lack of knowledge. :)
15:56 < LP_> I just figured out why the blackout is a good idea, vs. Mr Twitter: People are more likely to take the time normally spent on various blacked out sites, and read the deets. Magic. Only realizing this via my own habits.
15:58 < walkah> LP_: i thikn that's a good point
15:58 < walkah> Senpai: well. great! :)
17:03 -!- LP_ is now known as LP_afk
17:17 -!- LP_afk is now known as LP_
22:46 < Senpai> BTW, sdboyer went to the dentist today, so he's no longer smart.
23:20 < Andrew_Mallis> caught a bug in NYC. ugggh. down for the count.
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