--- Log opened Sat Dec 31 00:00:32 2011
00:21 < sdboyer> god i miss thiago
07:19 < Andrew_Mallis> good AM early risers
08:25 < Amgine> <feels grumpy, reading RFCs> prove it's good.
08:25 < Amgine> Also, coffee. Need.
08:33 < Amgine> <sips deeply> I love my stovetop espresso maker. All is better with the world.
08:33 < Andrew_Mallis> Amgine: make me one?
08:34 < Amgine> Virtually, of a certainty.
08:35 < Amgine> <returns to referencing RFC5234 to read RFC5545><sighs deeply>
10:00 < sdboyer> Andrew_Mallis: naggy time
10:00 < Andrew_Mallis> armor up.
10:00 < sdboyer> did dennis get back to you? did you reach out to that chris guy from the liberationtech list?
10:01 < sdboyer> and i'm going to forward/cc ed's email with the other data source guy for the directory
10:01 < Andrew_Mallis> yes to both
10:02 < Andrew_Mallis> I called Dennis yesterday. We had a nice chat. He's an older guy with no software development. He's going to send along some links to his design work.
10:02 < Andrew_Mallis> Want to see his abilities before he becomes a department
10:03 < Andrew_Mallis> seems like more of an identity + powerpoint point-person
10:03 < sdboyer> that's the feeling i got
10:03 < Andrew_Mallis> that's my intuition based on a 7 minute cconversation.
10:04 < Andrew_Mallis> Spoke with Chris for maybe 45 minutes
10:04 < Andrew_Mallis> seems real nice and active and a doer. He's no coder. Studying int'l relations in DC
10:04 < Andrew_Mallis> interested in data though and its manipulation to promote knowledge
10:05 < Andrew_Mallis> He's going to join redmine and keep an eye on the data merge, as our dataset is larger than his.
10:05 < Andrew_Mallis> will keep playing with open layers as most of this is portable to drupal
10:06 < Andrew_Mallis> looking to have him jump on to a joint mapping initiative once we get our data in.
10:08 < Andrew_Mallis> we'll likely consume his project as part of the directory, but will revisit in 2 weeks to evaluate forking instead and hosting his stuff (he has 32 days of devseed hosting left) .
11:46 < sdboyer> Andrew_Mallis: sounds excellent
11:46  * sdboyer shakes his head at devseed
11:46 < sdboyer> i may be reading too much into it, but really...yeah
11:47 < sdboyer> Andrew_Mallis: oh and yeah sorry, i meant to send it to your other email but it autocompleted, and i was moving so quick i couldn't correct it before sending
11:47 < Andrew_Mallis> sdboyer: I figured. np
11:47  * sdboyer ughs
11:47 < sdboyer> fuckin ning
11:48 < Andrew_Mallis> yeah…
11:48 < sdboyer> they were reaching out early on
11:48 < sdboyer> guess they found someone to give them some traction. oh well
12:50 < sdboyer> zomg...a reputation system built on respect for and adherence to *process*
12:50  * sdboyer just about pees his pants
12:57 < Amgine> <offers depends> But where, sdboyer?
12:57 < sdboyer> Amgine: post coming soon :)
12:58 < sdboyer> but even in the abstract, just think about it - most simple upvoting or reputational systems are based on "i like the content you posted"
12:59 < sdboyer> which gives you useful information along a certain axis - this person can think cogently on this topic
12:59 < sdboyer> (or, more often, this person has good taste in internet banalities)
13:00 < sdboyer> but one of the standard practices i learned as an organizer is that when you complete a process as a group, it's important to give people a chance to reflect on how the process went
13:01 < sdboyer> a friend of mine told me about a very standard mechanism her groups used to use - five-finger eval, where everybody just holds up a number of fingers from one to five indicating how they felt about the process they just completed
13:02 < sdboyer> super-simple, but helped people do these public temperature checks which, by simple virtue of creating a public space for it, can make even onerous and frustrating processes more palatable
13:02 < sdboyer> ebay realized this years ago, in fact their entire business turns on it: when you complete a process with another person, you can rate the interaction
13:03 < Amgine> And it's gamed.
13:03 < sdboyer> everything is gamed
13:03 < sdboyer> doesn't make it not worth making games in the first place
13:03 < Andrew_Mallis> I'm game
13:03 < Amgine> <is more gamey than game>
13:03 < sdboyer> perfect is the enemy of the good :)
13:04  * sdboyer continues working on this post, which will help make the rest of the context clear
13:04 < Amgine> <nods> but "let's use a system we think is untrustworty" is also not a good starting point.
13:17 < sdboyer> agreed
13:21  * sdboyer sets up a meeting with this VC dude
13:21 < sdboyer> 8am on monday the 9th
13:21 < sdboyer> will be discussing it at the meeting tomorrow
13:21 < Andrew_Mallis> VCs love early morning meetings!
13:21 < sdboyer> he's bringing in some partners too, apparently
13:21 < sdboyer> i said i might want to bring some folks as well
13:22 < Andrew_Mallis> only fair
13:22 < sdboyer> not just that, but i want to handle this clearly, transparently, and correctly from the jump
13:22 < sdboyer> i'm just glad that he mentioned bringing partners first because it made it easier to bring up me bringing people, too
13:25 < sdboyer> gonna be my first conversation with a VC, though. my curiousity is piqued
13:25 < sdboyer> and man is this ever NOT the context in which i thought i'd speak with one
13:26 < Andrew_Mallis> yeah…
13:26 < Andrew_Mallis> I've met a few. Going back to VC central soon. Wouldn't mind being there if there is space on the 9th
13:29 < sdboyer> i told him i'd keep it to two
13:29 < sdboyer> but i figured you might be one of them
13:29 < sdboyer> i imagine we'll sort it on sunday
13:29 < sdboyer> ed's got an interview with reuters on tuesday, too
13:29 < sdboyer> may end up getting passed over to fga, and if it does i'd like to not be the one who talks to them
13:37 < Andrew_Mallis> Pretty amazing how diaspora had a 10K kickstarter goal and hit 178K instead.
13:39 < Andrew_Mallis> correction 200K
13:50 < sdboyer> yep
13:51 < sdboyer> my benchmark for internet funding bizareness, though, is this: http://saveourenvironment.org/
13:52 < sdboyer> i've seen the funding docs & proposals that govern that whole site (interning in the oxfam DC office made me privy to some weird information)
13:52 < sdboyer> that site got 11MM in foundation backing
13:53 < Andrew_Mallis> I feel like I should say something in latin in response
13:54 < Andrew_Mallis> not sure why.
13:55 < Andrew_Mallis> Anyhow, seems like the fiscal sponsor conversation has been moved to tech ops via Dana.
13:56 < Andrew_Mallis> Feeling like maybe we should take the plunge.
14:09 < sdboyer> which plunge?
14:09 < sdboyer> oh and, the meeting's actually gonna be at 5pm on the 9th, not 8am
16:04 < sdboyer> Andrew_Mallis: ping
16:05 < Andrew_Mallis> 1se
16:05 < Andrew_Mallis> sec
16:07 < sdboyer> it's not urgent, i just want to ask you if you can read this thing before i post it and tell me where i can cut stuff out to make it less insane manifesto-y
16:07 < sdboyer> it's not ready yet, need a couple more hours still probably
16:07 < Andrew_Mallis> sure
16:07 < Andrew_Mallis> just on the phone with a client's tech support host
16:07 < sdboyer> though actually let me give you the initial bits, no sense in not getting started :)
16:07 < sdboyer> oh delicious
16:08 < Andrew_Mallis> trying to go live but the host won't let me change the primary A record to point to my servers
16:09 < sdboyer> :(
16:30 < Andrew_Mallis> sdboyer: thought you were sending me something…
16:30 < sdboyer> Andrew_Mallis: pm'ed it
16:30 < Andrew_Mallis> ah. below the fold.
22:01 < sdboyer> bleh, i lost my sounding board
22:01 < sdboyer> LP_: you around perchance?
22:02 < LP_> sittin on my skinny ass
22:02 < LP_> i18n is so fun
22:06 < LP_> sdboyer: ^ sound off if you so desire :P
22:06 < sdboyer> hehehe
22:07 < sdboyer> LP_: ok i'd like you to read this rq and just give me some comments on tightening it a bit, maybe...
22:08 < LP_> okeh
23:04 < sdboyer> AndChat-: the idea is crystallizing in my mind that the solution is to really deliberately define two sides to this: the public, HTTP-based side on which the structured, searchable, discoverable "network" is represented
23:05 < sdboyer> AndChat-: we can talk in here, s'fine
23:05 < sdboyer> really i just didn't want to put the url out there until i'm more done
23:05 < sdboyer> well past that now
23:06 < sdboyer> mmmm, b-trees
23:06 < AndChat-> I have a small story on that..
23:06 < sdboyer> so the HTTP network is all public. it can be distributed, that's great, but frankly privacy is just so fucking hard in a distributed HTTP network
23:06 < sdboyer> hit me
23:06 -!- AndChat- is now known as LP_
23:07 < LP_> Well
23:07 < sdboyer> but we can use the relational underpinnings expressed in the public network to connect with an underlying darknet layer. don't know exactly how that interchange/handoff works, but
23:08 < LP_> We were having a content meeting, reviewing folks making content, press releases.. and todd wanted to talk about the non b-tree patent, etc..
23:08 < sdboyer> lol
23:09 < sdboyer> yeah ok do tell
23:09 < LP_> I was slightly annoyed. Good convo, just not for the meeting focused on requirements and workflow.
23:10 < LP_> That was it.. just found it funny that I was independently informed of this a discovery phase meeting.
23:10 < sdboyer> :)
23:11 < sdboyer> which actually does take me back to the online decisioning thing. one thing that could be attached to meeting-recorded data is one of these process-eval things. which would allow you to give small, incremental feedback indicating disrespect for process
23:13 < sdboyer> but yeah. barring some huge revelatory idea, trying to do *good* privacy - privacy that i would put information on that puts peoples' lives at risk - over an http network is just insane
23:15 < LP_> That's a bummer. I don't know enough about it... I've read the stuff about certificate systems..
23:15 < LP_> Er, some stuff, not sure what *the* stuff is. It's all a bit over my head.
23:16 < sdboyer> don't get me wrong, i'm a fan of promiscuous encryption. but there are different interaction paradigms at hand, and certainly different experience levels required. and if we want to make the bridge to really secure, untraceable communications, then we need to GO TO PEOPLE WHERE DEY AT
23:16 < sdboyer> which starts with their web browser
23:16 < sdboyer> and their mobile phone
23:21 < LP_> Btw, me & joel are still the only drupalers on the .net project
23:22 < LP_> Didn't manage to get yr guy on a conf call this week.
23:22 < LP_> It's ok for now.. the wireframes are dead simple
23:22 < LP_> But we will need sanity checks on some stuff
23:25 < sdboyer> blargh :(
23:26 < sdboyer> ok well i actually have another dev coming in tomorrow who we could probably divert for .net stuff
23:26 < sdboyer> marco carbone
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