--- Log opened Fri Sep 20 00:00:03 2013
--- Day changed Fri Sep 20 2013
00:00 < conseo> mcallan: ok, what should i do
00:00 < mcallan> hi charles, a moment...
00:02 < mcallan> ok, i made you vetter.  just ok this message: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/no7-in/FvRDAMiibNs
00:03 < mcallan> i usually do it by replying to message with just: 'ok
00:03 < conseo> ok ;-)
00:04 < mcallan> it's pretty simple :-)
00:08 < conseo> yes
00:10 < mcallan> excellent, i'll relay it to the mirror front before replying to them
00:12 < conseo> ok
00:13 < mcallan> i'm supposed to wait 6 hours or something, but all this is really for the community to decide
00:13 < mcallan> (i mean rules and such)
00:18 < conseo> sure, still we need to have reasonable defaults, otherwise it is the henn-egg problem
00:19 < conseo> thank you for not chosing c++ for votorola btw. learning java has proven very helpful on the way to clojure
00:19 < conseo> i am just stuck in gdb and i am happy that i can't do memory corruption on the jvm. it is also insanely fast
00:22 < conseo> i just wanted to say that spontaneously :-)
00:22 < conseo> back then i really thought c++ was better than java, but votorola was a very good pathway in hindsight
00:35 < mcallan> me too, i moved from c++ to java in '98 when it was still fairly primitive.  it was still a step up, even then
00:43 < conseo> i can imagine that. it was also supposed to be slow, but today c++ looks pretty old, since the jvm does all these runtime optimizations which c++ cannot
01:08 < mcallan> true, it was slow.  but it felt like a good wave to ride.  and it was free :-)
01:16 < conseo> yes, also pretty smart guys were involved in optimizing the vm, it is a very powerful piece of technology today. that wouldn't have been possible without being free i guess
01:17 < conseo> also recently it occured to me that sun was the unix/c company back then, so this is why it looks a lot like c++ but started to bring all the vm advantages to the conservative industry
04:11 < mcallan> i think james gosling's team had almost complete freedom in the design.  i recall reading they worked in a separate building to avoid contamination
21:34 < mcallan> conseo: you getting mail from trunk intake?  there's links here to vet.  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/no7-in
21:34 < mcallan> (no rush, just checking)
22:32 < conseo> yes, acked
22:36 < mcallan> hmmm, `ack and `nak ...  that's a cooler command lingo
23:10 < conseo> ok
23:11 < mcallan> ok
--- Log closed Sat Sep 21 00:00:38 2013